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calling all beings y'all

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yeah

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welcome back to calling all beings it is

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a very special episode welcome i'm your

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host dj along with my co-host the other

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cabbies are here tonight you see him

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smiling you see what a sexy animal he is

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right there that is flareous kevin and

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of course everybody knows

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the woman who bringing everybody up in

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her joint right there the host of triple

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d debs data dojo at a study of uap's deb

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how you doing this evening ma'am i'm

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doing great and i'm gonna pretend that i

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have a black and blue shirt like you

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guys okay uh yeah you should right you

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know what we should have talked about

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this before the show deb but that's okay

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it's okay yeah how are you sir

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we gonna get it tonight

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oh man yeah

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yeah yeah yeah

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i'm just looking at me i got i got a

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shirt on i'm like wow

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even you're turned on by you that's

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great wow all right so uh very special

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episode tonight a lot of you are

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wondering where our co-host the

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co-creator the co-collaborator of this

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joint who created this joint with me

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money nathan is and that's because he's

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going to be the guest tonight all right

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and so uh nathan supposed that really i

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mean he's an extremely thoughtful guy

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he has um

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he has pondered a lot of aspects of

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ufology with many of you on many

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different shows now he's a very uh oh

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flair seems to be

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changing

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is he a changeling anyway um so

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so so nathan has been on many shows he

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shared his views with a lot of people

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he's becoming very popular on the

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circuit as he should be

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and so i told him i wanted to do a show

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called ask nathan because shoot i heard

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him on other shows and be like wow i

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have him on our show and ask him some

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questions but really it's actually a

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little bit more than that i i really

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want to take this opportunity to

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celebrate nathan um not only as my

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co-collaborator and co-host and the

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person who created this joint uh with me

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but also as uh somebody who's been very

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valuable to the community to many

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different people he has uh people have

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sought his counsel uh people have has

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sought his aid when they were in crisis

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and he always answers the call

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um so tonight a lot of it was also that

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i didn't tell nathan was it's a

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celebration of him as a brother as a

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friend

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so uh with no further ado

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to put your hands together

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for my brother

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the prince

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of positivity the the king of ontology

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of unpacking

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of unboxing of on-ramping

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of charitableness

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give it up for my man my brother money

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should have brought some tissues with me

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to this episode

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hell yeah nathan we're going to

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celebrate you tonight we didn't tell you

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that part

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uh we did tell all the mystery guests

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yes very sneaky but you know how i like

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surprise you a little bit

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and uh i i really do want to hear your

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views obviously or we wouldn't have done

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this chat but beyond that i really want

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to celebrate what you have done for

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as a group me personally

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uh as my friend and collaborator and the

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community

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and just honored to be with you guys

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y'all are awesome

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it's an honor to have you because i know

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pretty much every show out there wishes

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you around their show and i don't blame

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uh so anyway

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all right uh nathan

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without further ado um i wanted to get

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us kicked off tonight but i wanted to do

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it with a little bit of a softball you

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know question just to get us warmed up

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just to get you going and

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so with that my question is

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christian people would call god

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or muslims would call allah or

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even jews call god

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if can you finish this sentence

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i believe that

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god

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because oh you want more

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oh yeah no you're that that was the

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question i was like

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no i was gonna mad lips that just one

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you know no so uh yeah i think um

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that's that's a that's a that's a great

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you know i i think that whatever the ufo

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is whatever it represents whatever

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uh the phenomenon happens to be it is

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intimately connected to what we consider

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to be the the divine and

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the divine um i i personally don't think

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of it in the same way that i did

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in the kind of classical sense you know

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the sort of anthropomorphic uh person

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type entity that's just a

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bigger uh more powerful more more

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all-knowing more present than a regular

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human and so i don't think of god in

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the sort of ultimate sum of all that

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both has been is and will be

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does that have sort of a singular

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mind or or way of thinking i'm not sure

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that we can classify it in in that way

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it it would inevitably be beyond our

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ability to conceive of it

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because of the way i've defined it we

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are all a part of it we have a part to

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play

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divinity uh we are

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individual expressions

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of that divinity even in our flaws

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crawl or

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claw our way toward something that that

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with some people who believe that it's

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it's a it's something that is in process

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not a a solid sort of finished product

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evolutionary quality

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uh arriving at kind of a

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a fixed way a fixed thing

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seems as if it's almost uh equivalent to

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nothing at all you know that if if it's

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static and unchanging there's no dynamic

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dynamism there's no

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ability to

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it's just sort of this monolithic thing

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opinion that it's uh you know it's

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always in motion

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as far as the ufo is concerned

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these are glimpses of other aspects of

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whatever that is

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and they intersect with our lives in

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ways that are profound

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they are stimulants

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to our personhood and our culture and

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in the ufo topic we can sort of put

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in this grander scheme but really in my

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we're all in this

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dynamic

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dance and relationship and and we each

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bring something to that that is

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deeply meaningful

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so long answer

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no that that was beautiful and it was

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exactly what i would have expected and

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self-reflection i was telling deb the

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story the other day that one of our

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guests alluded to that i used to use

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this analogy when i was flying and i

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said come back from flying you'd have

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post mission debrief with everyone they

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might tear your ass up if if you did

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something wrong or they might praise you

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and then i would do my own my own

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internal debrief and go okay what did i

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do wrong what can i learn and i used to

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tell other

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other aviators i used to say dude or do

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if you didn't learn anything if you're

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making that statue of yourself out of

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that raw material you have your chisel

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and you'll get to every time you learn

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something you you whack that chisel by

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the end of your career that statue

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should look just like these aviator

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statues they used to give at retirement

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ceremonies so if you didn't learn

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enough uh because every albert

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every time you go flying or anytime you

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do anything in life do one of these

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shows is an opportunity to learn about

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you to learn as well as the guest and to

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look at your own performance and see

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what could you have done better and if

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you don't do that then you're probably

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not going to get better yeah um the

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say is that god is is is evolutionary

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because i don't think i've ever heard

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anybody say that before yeah

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the big tenets are omniscience

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omnipotence omnipresence right

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classical problems too like the problem

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come up with interesting ways to sort of

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you you sort of need to

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uh give up some of those omnis in order

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to make room for

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our freedom

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and to allow for evil

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otherwise i think you have a flawed

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uh god

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so

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um

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you know but that's why i don't ascribe

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to kind of those particular tenets

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of the divine

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um

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but yeah i completely agree with you you

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know like

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there's a lot about our own experience

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that if we really have lived long enough

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and we've reflected on it i believe maps

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on to

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what greater consciousness is and

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and and it could because if if we

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couldn't if we couldn't map something

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onto it we would never be able to relate

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with it

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you know there has to be a through line

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some kind of

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corollary you know for us to have a any

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meaningful relationship

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you know otherwise it's it's like two

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ships you know passing and that will

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never actually intersect we'll never

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create anything

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together um so

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you know if there's a god that uh i will

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kind of lean on this principle of love

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you know that there but love is means a

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lot of different things to different

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people but i think it can mean something

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or i tend to think it means

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uh this sort of deeply redemptive

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quality that no matter

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what you are who you are what you've

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done where you've been

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you know there you will find redemption

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somehow some way over time

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you know you will get there and that's

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through this kind of recursive

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process

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um and

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if we don't have that

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you know

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that feels terrible for for all of us i

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mean who hasn't made a mistake who

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hasn't failed who hasn't needed

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redemption

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and grace and forgiveness

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i mean please show me that person

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i don't think they exist

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it's the most human thing ever yeah

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yeah and i i can't take all this action

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so i got to pass it over that was thank

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you for that uh incredible answer so

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everybody who's watching right now can

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see exactly why we did an ask nathan

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episode kevin please go ahead sir

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hmm i want to go back to those omnis

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those three omnis were talking about

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i thought those were interesting because

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also one yeah but not the dodge omni

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from the 80s because those cars really

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were not good yeah that got carved out

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in the fourth century they just took

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that

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sorry well i think the the

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a lot of those omnis are a lot of that

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is mirrored in what we're seeing in the

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uh the

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phenomenon you know i'm seeing a lot of

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that it's

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i mean ufos really just like god it

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forces us to confront our our reality

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you know

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i mean young young theorized that the

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blips on the radar may just be a

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projection of human consciousness

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interacting with this technology yeah

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you know i mean looking at the ufo

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phenomenon and the different

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interpretations

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i mean it seems clear that

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we're obsessed with that savior figure

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we're obsessed with those omnis so do

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you think that maybe a portion of these

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experiences are possibly a projection of

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those cultural values maybe wow 100

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uh that's an awesome question kevin but

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yes i i do think so i do think that our

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the

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we want to be

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leave open

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space in our lives and in our societies

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for

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what should be what we want to be and

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there's a lot of room that is created in

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that vacuum

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and

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that's why we

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are drawn to

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many different expressions of these

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qualities and characteristics that you

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just mentioned

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we see in those things

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our own failures you know our own

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inability to

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uh do the right thing when when the

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moment demanded it

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to

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um

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you know overcome an illness that that

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ruins on our life or the life of someone

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that we love you know our utter

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helplessness in the face of these

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moments

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you know we

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see in in phenomena

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that sort of glimpse of a promise that

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there could be some way to solve this it

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could be an out for us

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you know what what is that and i when

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you we want that it's very alluring and

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attractive we need that

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whatever that power happens to be

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so i think for me yes the answer is yes

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but also

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it's it's also very dangerous you know

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we have to be very careful

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overly

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sort of commit or ascribe or wrap

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ourselves up into whatever that is

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and in so doing ignore what we can be

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doing right now

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on our own

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to to get there

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you know there's a lot of in religion

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you know has a lot of great things but

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one some things that it can do that can

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be harmful is it can be a crutch for

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people

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you know oh that that's not really me

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like god planned that for me you know

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um

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this disaster

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you know oh it's terrible that that

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that's god's plan you know so it you

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know the the climate is falling apart

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well that that's gone i don't really

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have to worry about you know being

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eco-friendly or whatever that's just

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part of the plan you know so you can see

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how this is a terrible way of thinking

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like it it puts off what we could be

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doing right now

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to to make this better so i think we

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have to be very aware of that

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and not put too much of our hope

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onto the phenomenon to save us and solve

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all of our problems

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and what's very interesting about

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kevin's point is that that occurs even

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in people who are very fulfilled in life

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and it's not necessarily somebody who's

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really really empty and looking for

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someone like like uh you know the people

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that tend to join a cult and so on and

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so forth

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but but

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uh people who are very fulfilled like us

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you know here on this you know on on cab

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i mean we're living pretty fulfilled

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lives but yet we want we want to find

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out what this is all about and i guess

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to differing degrees i think different

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we have you know our missions are

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slightly different

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uh but they all sort of

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intermingle somewhere and but you know

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without that

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amazing question kevin and you showed

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people exactly why you're here is uh

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regardless of the fact that you're funny

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and you come up with bits and videos and

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make us all laugh is that you have

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brilliant questions and thoughts and um

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i'm really glad that we have a platform

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here where where you know people can

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hear that

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so uh somebody that people are hearing a

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lot of lately and when i say a lot

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i mean a lot

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put your hands together for deb what you

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got

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okay so mine also is a religious

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question so apparently we just want to

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and by the way there are uh more in

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comments i've seen a few so hopefully

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we'll get to those at the end yes dev

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there is

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yeah so

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they're all religious okay so my

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question is um do you think people who

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are

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um religious or who were previously

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religious or more inclined to accept

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ufos and the phenomenon

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rather than those who are not

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that's a great question i think

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there is kind of a

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a

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kind of deeply held religious belief um

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because you've already made room for

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non-human intelligence you've

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already you can go to a church service

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or

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can you can do that any day of the week

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or any time of the week and you can

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they're engaging with something that

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isn't human that they are trying to

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engage with something that isn't human

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through the ritual that they practice

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and the prayers that they say

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you know uh

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otherwise it's it's purely ceremonial

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and and of course i think there are some

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religious communities where it is purely

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ceremonial where they really don't

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believe that uh when they say a prayer

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there's something listening you know

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they're just they're just doing it and

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you know i respect that too

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um

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but i think

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if you spend any time in a religious

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community

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uh and you've ever found yourself in a

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place of earnestly believing or wanting

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to believe then i do think that

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you are

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or you should be more open

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to

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different possibilities now

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that being said

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depending on the nature of your belief

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it can be and this is true i will say

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this is true for both the religious and

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non-religious depending on your beliefs

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that they can be quite a strong sort of

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uh

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fortress that that you create around

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yourself that that is

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in many ways like an impermeable you

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know you you do not allow and permit

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any sort of aberrant thought to enter to

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the inner end of that fortress that is

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going to

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you know erode the foundation that

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you've worked so hard to erect and you

552
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see this happen with people who

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are really fervent believers who end up

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having a crisis of faith

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the crisis comes about because the

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generally because their walls have been

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so

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uh strongly built

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and and you know sort of defended

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that

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all it took was kind of think of it like

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as a meteor you know came out of into

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their universe from that from somewhere

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else and was so powerful that it that it

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you know broke one of the walls open and

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and they didn't have the tools necessary

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to put it back together

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and instead of trying to do the work of

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putting it back together or let's say

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expanding that

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structure they just said you know what

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we're just going to leave i can't live

573
00:22:24,310 --> 00:22:22,400
in the castle anymore castles aren't

574
00:22:26,549 --> 00:22:24,320
safe because meteors destroy them so i'm

575
00:22:28,470 --> 00:22:26,559
going to go i'm going to go out into the

576
00:22:29,430 --> 00:22:28,480
country and just be a free roaming

577
00:22:31,830 --> 00:22:29,440
person

578
00:22:33,750 --> 00:22:31,840
and i'll never be hit by a meteor again

579
00:22:35,430 --> 00:22:33,760
you see how that

580
00:22:37,669 --> 00:22:35,440
analogy kind of works and you see that

581
00:22:39,430 --> 00:22:37,679
happen quite often so something happens

582
00:22:41,190 --> 00:22:39,440
that didn't fit the narrative that they

583
00:22:42,789 --> 00:22:41,200
thought you know based on their

584
00:22:44,870 --> 00:22:42,799
religiosity was going to be and they're

585
00:22:47,190 --> 00:22:44,880
like oh you know that's the crisis of

586
00:22:48,789 --> 00:22:47,200
faith yeah yeah and they don't

587
00:22:49,669 --> 00:22:48,799
and it shakes them so much that they

588
00:22:51,909 --> 00:22:49,679
just

589
00:22:52,789 --> 00:22:51,919
they don't want to uh to try to repair

590
00:22:57,430 --> 00:22:52,799
that

591
00:22:59,510 --> 00:22:57,440
they just want to abandon it

592
00:23:01,830 --> 00:22:59,520
you know so i i i

593
00:23:02,710 --> 00:23:01,840
empathize i've been through that myself

594
00:23:04,630 --> 00:23:02,720
you know

595
00:23:07,190 --> 00:23:04,640
in some ways that's easier

596
00:23:08,549 --> 00:23:07,200
to walk away uh than to try to do the

597
00:23:11,430 --> 00:23:08,559
work

598
00:23:13,029 --> 00:23:11,440
to repair it uh but you know sometimes

599
00:23:14,789 --> 00:23:13,039
you should walk away let's look you know

600
00:23:17,270 --> 00:23:14,799
i don't want to say that that's a bad

601
00:23:19,590 --> 00:23:17,280
choice sometimes it's the right choice

602
00:23:21,909 --> 00:23:19,600
i i did want to say nathan that uh we

603
00:23:23,830 --> 00:23:21,919
got to congratulate maxie mccabe because

604
00:23:26,710 --> 00:23:23,840
max is going to be a stand-in for james

605
00:23:28,789 --> 00:23:26,720
cordon on a production i i don't

606
00:23:31,430 --> 00:23:28,799
remember what the production is

607
00:23:33,909 --> 00:23:31,440
and and while he's doing that i thought

608
00:23:35,909 --> 00:23:33,919
like flair was auditioning for tron

609
00:23:37,430 --> 00:23:35,919
because it looked right it looked like i

610
00:23:39,669 --> 00:23:37,440
was wondering about that i'm going to be

611
00:23:42,149 --> 00:23:39,679
on the tron motorcycle and i love that

612
00:23:43,830 --> 00:23:42,159
movie yeah so if anybody any out there

613
00:23:45,430 --> 00:23:43,840
is working on another tron if you would

614
00:23:46,310 --> 00:23:45,440
please give flair a call that would be

615
00:23:48,070 --> 00:23:46,320
awesome

616
00:23:51,669 --> 00:23:48,080
um i

617
00:23:53,750 --> 00:23:51,679
at flareous underscore kevin on on

618
00:23:55,909 --> 00:23:53,760
twitter if you'd like to contact kevin

619
00:23:58,870 --> 00:23:55,919
about appearing on you in your movie

620
00:24:00,950 --> 00:23:58,880
uh but i'll send a headshot yeah yeah i

621
00:24:01,909 --> 00:24:00,960
got discovered i was like

622
00:24:04,789 --> 00:24:01,919
shot

623
00:24:06,149 --> 00:24:04,799
yeah i forgot almost a power ranger

624
00:24:07,190 --> 00:24:06,159
people put those hands together

625
00:24:09,269 --> 00:24:07,200
incredible

626
00:24:10,710 --> 00:24:09,279
um i have a question from one of my high

627
00:24:12,870 --> 00:24:10,720
school friends i want to talk about her

628
00:24:16,549 --> 00:24:12,880
real quick uh audrey or

629
00:24:18,470 --> 00:24:16,559
audrey herrera state skull uh audrey was

630
00:24:21,510 --> 00:24:18,480
my classmate from 85

631
00:24:23,350 --> 00:24:21,520
she is the one that had the experience

632
00:24:26,149 --> 00:24:23,360
that linda zimmerman came and

633
00:24:27,909 --> 00:24:26,159
interviewed her family so she had one of

634
00:24:30,549 --> 00:24:27,919
the most prolific

635
00:24:33,269 --> 00:24:30,559
ufo sightings of the 80s

636
00:24:35,110 --> 00:24:33,279
uh that such that uh that linda came to

637
00:24:37,269 --> 00:24:35,120
the neighborhood and interviewed her and

638
00:24:38,630 --> 00:24:37,279
her father who was a police lieutenant

639
00:24:42,070 --> 00:24:38,640
at her home

640
00:24:45,029 --> 00:24:42,080
um and it was a large slow-moving

641
00:24:47,430 --> 00:24:45,039
triangular silent craft that came right

642
00:24:49,830 --> 00:24:47,440
over their house in broad daylight wow

643
00:24:51,590 --> 00:24:49,840
uh on like a weekend afternoon and there

644
00:24:53,909 --> 00:24:51,600
were other neighbors that saw it so

645
00:24:55,750 --> 00:24:53,919
audrey uh who is

646
00:24:58,390 --> 00:24:55,760
not only is she ufo experiencer but

647
00:25:00,870 --> 00:24:58,400
she's an extremely positive person she's

648
00:25:03,750 --> 00:25:00,880
helping me track down classmates and

649
00:25:05,269 --> 00:25:03,760
teachers actually uh for the the

650
00:25:07,430 --> 00:25:05,279
classmate show that we're doing the hen

651
00:25:10,149 --> 00:25:07,440
hood show so thank you audrey love you a

652
00:25:12,390 --> 00:25:10,159
lot and here's your question audrey says

653
00:25:15,430 --> 00:25:12,400
i do not so she starts off with a

654
00:25:17,269 --> 00:25:15,440
comment i do not believe that uh aliens

655
00:25:19,830 --> 00:25:17,279
built the pyramids but i do wonder

656
00:25:23,830 --> 00:25:19,840
nathan if the egyptians did see and

657
00:25:26,390 --> 00:25:23,840
encounter alien crafts back then as some

658
00:25:28,630 --> 00:25:26,400
of their paintings depict objects that

659
00:25:32,230 --> 00:25:28,640
do not seem to be the sun

660
00:25:34,950 --> 00:25:32,240
planets or birds what is your opinion on

661
00:25:37,830 --> 00:25:34,960
crafts possibly traveling to earth way

662
00:25:39,669 --> 00:25:37,840
back in early egyptian times or even

663
00:25:41,350 --> 00:25:39,679
before that

664
00:25:43,110 --> 00:25:41,360
great question audrey

665
00:25:44,470 --> 00:25:43,120
uh i think it's very possible i think

666
00:25:47,190 --> 00:25:44,480
that our

667
00:25:50,470 --> 00:25:47,200
uh you know human civilization

668
00:25:51,590 --> 00:25:50,480
is um the the the story there is is not

669
00:25:53,590 --> 00:25:51,600
finished

670
00:25:56,470 --> 00:25:53,600
and uh you know there's one thing that

671
00:25:59,110 --> 00:25:56,480
i've learned in my short life uh the

672
00:26:01,269 --> 00:25:59,120
things that we felt really sure about

673
00:26:02,950 --> 00:26:01,279
you know archaeology and history and you

674
00:26:05,590 --> 00:26:02,960
know we've solved this and this is it

675
00:26:08,789 --> 00:26:05,600
here's the encyclopedia we're done guys

676
00:26:12,070 --> 00:26:08,799
um those things i think are still

677
00:26:14,310 --> 00:26:12,080
in many ways open questions um

678
00:26:16,870 --> 00:26:14,320
and so i do think there is

679
00:26:18,149 --> 00:26:16,880
you know it's possible that that yes you

680
00:26:21,430 --> 00:26:18,159
know that they

681
00:26:23,830 --> 00:26:21,440
saw some things in the sky and and

682
00:26:25,990 --> 00:26:23,840
tried to capture

683
00:26:28,149 --> 00:26:26,000
that phenomena both in you know in their

684
00:26:29,909 --> 00:26:28,159
story their their writing their even

685
00:26:31,269 --> 00:26:29,919
their architecture

686
00:26:32,789 --> 00:26:31,279
uh

687
00:26:34,390 --> 00:26:32,799
you know

688
00:26:36,950 --> 00:26:34,400
the one thing that i

689
00:26:39,029 --> 00:26:36,960
kind of envy about the ancients honestly

690
00:26:41,110 --> 00:26:39,039
is um

691
00:26:42,630 --> 00:26:41,120
they don't have electricity they don't

692
00:26:45,029 --> 00:26:42,640
have the clutter

693
00:26:47,510 --> 00:26:45,039
of night light that

694
00:26:49,269 --> 00:26:47,520
removes our ability to see the the grand

695
00:26:51,029 --> 00:26:49,279
tapestry of the sky

696
00:26:53,110 --> 00:26:51,039
right and uh

697
00:26:55,750 --> 00:26:53,120
you can only anyone who's lived in a

698
00:26:56,789 --> 00:26:55,760
really dark part of wherever they are if

699
00:26:59,190 --> 00:26:56,799
you find if you've ever had the

700
00:27:00,710 --> 00:26:59,200
opportunity to be out in the wilderness

701
00:27:03,269 --> 00:27:00,720
or someplace that's

702
00:27:05,029 --> 00:27:03,279
incredibly dark and it's a clear

703
00:27:07,590 --> 00:27:05,039
night no moon

704
00:27:09,830 --> 00:27:07,600
you'll know how bright it actually is

705
00:27:12,630 --> 00:27:09,840
with all of the starlight

706
00:27:15,029 --> 00:27:12,640
and it's not hard at all to imagine our

707
00:27:16,789 --> 00:27:15,039
ancient human family

708
00:27:18,870 --> 00:27:16,799
you know gathering

709
00:27:20,549 --> 00:27:18,880
as the day has come to an end looking up

710
00:27:21,590 --> 00:27:20,559
at the sky

711
00:27:24,310 --> 00:27:21,600
and just

712
00:27:26,870 --> 00:27:24,320
taking it all in and and

713
00:27:28,470 --> 00:27:26,880
you know what a show

714
00:27:30,549 --> 00:27:28,480
and i think there could be all kinds of

715
00:27:32,149 --> 00:27:30,559
things that they would have observed

716
00:27:34,950 --> 00:27:32,159
both what we would call natural

717
00:27:37,510 --> 00:27:34,960
phenomena but also uh you know

718
00:27:39,669 --> 00:27:37,520
potentially you know craft and and other

719
00:27:41,590 --> 00:27:39,679
kinds of things from that

720
00:27:43,029 --> 00:27:41,600
from outside our normal experience let's

721
00:27:44,950 --> 00:27:43,039
put it that way

722
00:27:46,630 --> 00:27:44,960
i'm gonna pass it to kevin nathan but i

723
00:27:49,029 --> 00:27:46,640
think i'd be remiss if i didn't ask you

724
00:27:50,710 --> 00:27:49,039
if you had a hypothesis about them

725
00:27:53,110 --> 00:27:50,720
helping to build the pyramids one way or

726
00:27:54,870 --> 00:27:53,120
the other hmm

727
00:27:56,549 --> 00:27:54,880
man that's a great question uh the

728
00:27:58,789 --> 00:27:56,559
pyramids really

729
00:28:00,950 --> 00:27:58,799
i mean i love them man they fascinate me

730
00:28:02,870 --> 00:28:00,960
uh my brother got to go to egypt when he

731
00:28:04,389 --> 00:28:02,880
was younger

732
00:28:06,630 --> 00:28:04,399
and i was really jealous that he got to

733
00:28:11,590 --> 00:28:06,640
go and see them i just so happened to

734
00:28:15,669 --> 00:28:13,510
i'm torn about this one so part of me

735
00:28:17,430 --> 00:28:15,679
wants to be like yes like that would be

736
00:28:18,470 --> 00:28:17,440
very cool and it kind of hints that this

737
00:28:20,789 --> 00:28:18,480
may be

738
00:28:21,590 --> 00:28:20,799
deeper relationship that we may have had

739
00:28:23,750 --> 00:28:21,600
with

740
00:28:26,310 --> 00:28:23,760
these others that helped us construct

741
00:28:28,870 --> 00:28:26,320
these phenomenal structures

742
00:28:30,870 --> 00:28:28,880
um the counter argument to that is

743
00:28:33,190 --> 00:28:30,880
as many people have said if you sort of

744
00:28:35,430 --> 00:28:33,200
ascribe it to them

745
00:28:37,750 --> 00:28:35,440
it kind of diminishes the capability or

746
00:28:40,149 --> 00:28:37,760
capacity for humans like us to be able

747
00:28:42,149 --> 00:28:40,159
to be smart enough creative enough

748
00:28:44,870 --> 00:28:42,159
to do it ourselves so it's it's kind of

749
00:28:46,549 --> 00:28:44,880
a weird um sort of thing there

750
00:29:03,110 --> 00:28:46,559
i

751
00:29:05,669 --> 00:29:03,120
you know the dreamer of me says yes

752
00:29:07,669 --> 00:29:05,679
uh but i do want you know i just like

753
00:29:09,190 --> 00:29:07,679
everybody i want to know like what what

754
00:29:10,149 --> 00:29:09,200
really happened there how do they really

755
00:29:11,830 --> 00:29:10,159
do it

756
00:29:14,470 --> 00:29:11,840
i'm sure kevin and thank you for that

757
00:29:16,310 --> 00:29:14,480
answer that was that was great uh i i

758
00:29:18,230 --> 00:29:16,320
know that uh kevin probably has strong

759
00:29:20,870 --> 00:29:18,240
feelings at it but i gotta i gotta turn

760
00:29:23,350 --> 00:29:20,880
it over to him he has the floor

761
00:29:25,510 --> 00:29:23,360
all right well i mean the whole pyramid

762
00:29:26,630 --> 00:29:25,520
ancient alien thing it's i don't know

763
00:29:30,630 --> 00:29:26,640
there's

764
00:29:31,350 --> 00:29:30,640
14 seasons on it 15. i can't beat that

765
00:29:36,070 --> 00:29:31,360
so

766
00:29:37,510 --> 00:29:36,080
actually uh another listener question

767
00:29:38,870 --> 00:29:37,520
one from benji

768
00:29:42,310 --> 00:29:38,880
yeah

769
00:29:46,470 --> 00:29:44,310
awesome dude he's so cool i've been

770
00:29:48,950 --> 00:29:46,480
talking to him lately on instagram he's

771
00:29:49,830 --> 00:29:48,960
a great guy celebrating that brother

772
00:29:51,510 --> 00:29:49,840
yeah

773
00:29:54,230 --> 00:29:51,520
okay he has two questions actually the

774
00:30:02,470 --> 00:29:54,240
first one is uh who was more handsome

775
00:30:09,750 --> 00:30:04,950
we

776
00:30:11,830 --> 00:30:09,760
taller than me uh i'm not very tall he's

777
00:30:14,710 --> 00:30:11,840
taller than i am uh we actually have a

778
00:30:17,029 --> 00:30:14,720
similar complexion so um

779
00:30:18,549 --> 00:30:17,039
he has a welsh heritage i think i may

780
00:30:22,070 --> 00:30:18,559
have some

781
00:30:25,029 --> 00:30:22,080
uh welsh in my heritage as well uh we

782
00:30:27,110 --> 00:30:25,039
both have a fondness for wearing hoodies

783
00:30:28,549 --> 00:30:27,120
uh so

784
00:30:31,430 --> 00:30:28,559
you know that's our

785
00:30:33,669 --> 00:30:31,440
clothing item of choice

786
00:30:36,630 --> 00:30:33,679
i think we're both devilishly handsome

787
00:30:40,310 --> 00:30:36,640
yeah i love it i love it i love it man

788
00:30:43,990 --> 00:30:41,830
i we don't know that they're not the

789
00:30:47,110 --> 00:30:44,000
same person

790
00:30:51,909 --> 00:30:49,510
because nathan when he came on the show

791
00:30:52,950 --> 00:30:51,919
and he was an avatar that didn't what

792
00:30:54,470 --> 00:30:52,960
you know like that could have been

793
00:30:56,470 --> 00:30:54,480
nathan so i

794
00:30:57,909 --> 00:30:56,480
i don't know it's an open question it is

795
00:30:59,990 --> 00:30:57,919
it's an open question best kept secret

796
00:31:01,909 --> 00:31:00,000
and ufology right there

797
00:31:03,669 --> 00:31:01,919
go ahead darling

798
00:31:05,669 --> 00:31:03,679
oh did you want to do the second punchy

799
00:31:07,669 --> 00:31:05,679
question first player or no you're going

800
00:31:09,190 --> 00:31:07,679
to wait on that i mean if we i'm sure we

801
00:31:09,990 --> 00:31:09,200
got time and we're only at the 30 minute

802
00:31:12,630 --> 00:31:10,000
mark

803
00:31:14,470 --> 00:31:12,640
okay okay we'll go back to it okay so i

804
00:31:15,509 --> 00:31:14,480
also have an exo question everyone's

805
00:31:18,149 --> 00:31:15,519
just like

806
00:31:19,669 --> 00:31:18,159
laying the groundwork for me today my

807
00:31:23,190 --> 00:31:19,679
question is

808
00:31:25,029 --> 00:31:23,200
knowing that you and exo are often

809
00:31:27,029 --> 00:31:25,039
on the same page

810
00:31:28,870 --> 00:31:27,039
what would you say is the thing you

811
00:31:30,470 --> 00:31:28,880
disagree about

812
00:31:32,710 --> 00:31:30,480
hmm

813
00:31:34,710 --> 00:31:32,720
i could answer that one but go ahead

814
00:31:36,789 --> 00:31:34,720
that's a very good question i can answer

815
00:31:39,990 --> 00:31:36,799
that oh man i'm sure there are several

816
00:31:41,110 --> 00:31:40,000
things um

817
00:31:43,029 --> 00:31:41,120
exo

818
00:31:44,389 --> 00:31:43,039
as you all know

819
00:31:47,029 --> 00:31:44,399
has uh

820
00:31:50,710 --> 00:31:47,039
has a deep deep knowledge of this topic

821
00:31:52,470 --> 00:31:50,720
like um it's impressive i am always in

822
00:31:54,870 --> 00:31:52,480
awe of what he knows

823
00:31:55,909 --> 00:31:54,880
uh in his command of the literature and

824
00:31:56,870 --> 00:31:55,919
everything

825
00:31:58,549 --> 00:31:56,880
um

826
00:32:00,389 --> 00:31:58,559
and and on top of that he's an

827
00:32:01,509 --> 00:32:00,399
experiencer so

828
00:32:02,549 --> 00:32:01,519
uh

829
00:32:03,909 --> 00:32:02,559
where we

830
00:32:06,389 --> 00:32:03,919
sometimes

831
00:32:07,830 --> 00:32:06,399
you know conflict or

832
00:32:09,909 --> 00:32:07,840
it's hard to even use that word because

833
00:32:11,590 --> 00:32:09,919
we we don't really get into into beasts

834
00:32:12,870 --> 00:32:11,600
or arguments but uh

835
00:32:16,230 --> 00:32:12,880
uh

836
00:32:19,269 --> 00:32:16,240
you know i not being an experiencer

837
00:32:21,110 --> 00:32:19,279
i am still in the camp that needs that

838
00:32:22,870 --> 00:32:21,120
that needs something else like that

839
00:32:24,789 --> 00:32:22,880
needs something more

840
00:32:27,430 --> 00:32:24,799
than just uh

841
00:32:29,430 --> 00:32:27,440
you know convincing

842
00:32:31,029 --> 00:32:29,440
the majority of convincing anecdotes or

843
00:32:32,470 --> 00:32:31,039
data or whatever even knowing people

844
00:32:35,029 --> 00:32:32,480
who've experienced so i'm a very

845
00:32:36,389 --> 00:32:35,039
trusting person i i believe people very

846
00:32:37,750 --> 00:32:36,399
much when they tell me that they've

847
00:32:39,269 --> 00:32:37,760
experienced

848
00:32:41,909 --> 00:32:39,279
things

849
00:32:42,950 --> 00:32:41,919
even if i have not i i do take them at

850
00:32:45,430 --> 00:32:42,960
their word

851
00:32:48,950 --> 00:32:45,440
but because i have not had one myself i

852
00:32:50,549 --> 00:32:48,960
i'm a step removed you know so i i think

853
00:32:52,149 --> 00:32:50,559
in some ways

854
00:32:53,990 --> 00:32:52,159
and he's mentioned this to me you know

855
00:32:55,509 --> 00:32:54,000
he's like you seem to do a really good

856
00:32:57,029 --> 00:32:55,519
job of being on the fence a lot and i

857
00:33:00,950 --> 00:32:57,039
was like well i mean that's

858
00:33:01,750 --> 00:33:00,960
you know i kind of have to be you know

859
00:33:03,350 --> 00:33:01,760
and

860
00:33:04,710 --> 00:33:03,360
you know it

861
00:33:05,830 --> 00:33:04,720
i've talked about this in some ways

862
00:33:06,630 --> 00:33:05,840
before

863
00:33:09,190 --> 00:33:06,640
but

864
00:33:13,350 --> 00:33:11,669
faith is important in our life like i

865
00:33:15,830 --> 00:33:13,360
think we all

866
00:33:17,590 --> 00:33:15,840
have faith in some things

867
00:33:18,870 --> 00:33:17,600
and i'm not talking even religious

868
00:33:20,389 --> 00:33:18,880
things and

869
00:33:21,830 --> 00:33:20,399
we do things every day where we have

870
00:33:24,310 --> 00:33:21,840
faith that things are going to happen in

871
00:33:25,669 --> 00:33:24,320
a particular way and you know often they

872
00:33:27,350 --> 00:33:25,679
do but

873
00:33:30,549 --> 00:33:27,360
sometimes they don't

874
00:33:32,549 --> 00:33:30,559
and so i'm not down on faith and i think

875
00:33:34,310 --> 00:33:32,559
it's important so there are times where

876
00:33:36,549 --> 00:33:34,320
i myself

877
00:33:38,549 --> 00:33:36,559
am going to put a lot of faith in a

878
00:33:41,509 --> 00:33:38,559
certain aspect of the phenomenon and

879
00:33:43,669 --> 00:33:41,519
believing more firmly that that's real

880
00:33:45,269 --> 00:33:43,679
and putting less faith in other aspects

881
00:33:46,149 --> 00:33:45,279
of the phenomenon

882
00:33:47,509 --> 00:33:46,159
uh

883
00:33:49,269 --> 00:33:47,519
in saying you know i'm pretty i'm kind

884
00:33:51,509 --> 00:33:49,279
of a skeptic i'm a doubter i'm not

885
00:33:53,750 --> 00:33:51,519
really sure that that part of it is real

886
00:33:55,909 --> 00:33:53,760
the the and but the reality is and i

887
00:33:57,830 --> 00:33:55,919
think this is true for everyone we you

888
00:33:59,669 --> 00:33:57,840
know unfortunately we really like to

889
00:34:01,430 --> 00:33:59,679
label a lot like to say well i'm i

890
00:34:04,149 --> 00:34:01,440
believe this and that's just who i am

891
00:34:06,149 --> 00:34:04,159
you know i'm an ex person you know i'm

892
00:34:08,950 --> 00:34:06,159
there's no you know the barriers are

893
00:34:11,909 --> 00:34:08,960
strong i'm totally that person

894
00:34:14,310 --> 00:34:11,919
that's it i think that's really uh

895
00:34:15,829 --> 00:34:14,320
in many ways kind of disingenuous and i

896
00:34:18,149 --> 00:34:15,839
don't think is true to our own lived

897
00:34:20,149 --> 00:34:18,159
experience i think we are complex there

898
00:34:21,909 --> 00:34:20,159
are moments where we are we're really

899
00:34:24,550 --> 00:34:21,919
strongly believing something and other

900
00:34:27,270 --> 00:34:24,560
moments of deep doubt and that's okay

901
00:34:28,629 --> 00:34:27,280
that that's all part of the package so

902
00:34:30,230 --> 00:34:28,639
um

903
00:34:31,750 --> 00:34:30,240
you know it's a long answer to your

904
00:34:34,869 --> 00:34:31,760
question i know you're looking for like

905
00:34:40,069 --> 00:34:38,470
so i if i were to give a singular thing

906
00:34:42,069 --> 00:34:40,079
um

907
00:34:46,149 --> 00:34:42,079
i think what i'd struggle with there

908
00:34:50,869 --> 00:34:48,869
well he again he's he he's being an

909
00:34:52,629 --> 00:34:50,879
experiencer and i have not like that's

910
00:34:55,030 --> 00:34:52,639
probably one area where

911
00:34:56,710 --> 00:34:55,040
you know i i just i really wrestle with

912
00:34:58,069 --> 00:34:56,720
that because the experiences themselves

913
00:35:00,230 --> 00:34:58,079
are so diverse

914
00:35:01,990 --> 00:35:00,240
um i do again believe what people say

915
00:35:03,750 --> 00:35:02,000
but i have a hard time like just making

916
00:35:04,950 --> 00:35:03,760
sense of it all i think he actually has

917
00:35:07,750 --> 00:35:04,960
a really good

918
00:35:09,910 --> 00:35:07,760
explanation for that uh which he will

919
00:35:11,349 --> 00:35:09,920
you know elucidate over time

920
00:35:13,190 --> 00:35:11,359
but um

921
00:35:15,750 --> 00:35:13,200
you know for me right now it's i find

922
00:35:17,910 --> 00:35:15,760
that difficult to reconcile just kind of

923
00:35:19,430 --> 00:35:17,920
all of the different experiences that we

924
00:35:21,349 --> 00:35:19,440
hear about

925
00:35:22,790 --> 00:35:21,359
yeah i i would say that's the the main

926
00:35:23,910 --> 00:35:22,800
difference i see

927
00:35:26,150 --> 00:35:23,920
is that

928
00:35:27,589 --> 00:35:26,160
you are a little bit more i'm going to

929
00:35:30,150 --> 00:35:27,599
use one of the words that you use you're

930
00:35:31,829 --> 00:35:30,160
a little more charitable to skeptics oh

931
00:35:33,270 --> 00:35:31,839
my god nathan we've had a malfunction

932
00:35:34,069 --> 00:35:33,280
the studio is just coming apart back

933
00:35:36,390 --> 00:35:34,079
here

934
00:35:37,670 --> 00:35:36,400
first uh he's in tron that's the

935
00:35:39,990 --> 00:35:37,680
background

936
00:35:42,150 --> 00:35:40,000
this is exo right he's doing it to me

937
00:35:44,790 --> 00:35:42,160
i was gonna blame the phenomenon i was

938
00:35:46,630 --> 00:35:44,800
gonna say it was like how dare you say

939
00:35:49,030 --> 00:35:46,640
your question is

940
00:35:52,150 --> 00:35:49,040
that manifestation

941
00:35:53,750 --> 00:35:52,160
all right so uh deb um if you would drag

942
00:35:55,910 --> 00:35:53,760
out an audience question if you would

943
00:35:58,390 --> 00:35:55,920
one that you really liked and uh i was

944
00:36:00,230 --> 00:35:58,400
gonna say regarding exo academian uh so

945
00:36:03,910 --> 00:36:00,240
yeah he's a little bit

946
00:36:06,950 --> 00:36:03,920
harder on skeptics uh uh certain types

947
00:36:08,710 --> 00:36:06,960
of debunker type skeptics he and i are a

948
00:36:11,109 --> 00:36:08,720
little more in alignment

949
00:36:12,550 --> 00:36:11,119
on that than than you are but i respect

950
00:36:14,470 --> 00:36:12,560
you know both positions that's that's

951
00:36:15,510 --> 00:36:14,480
that's excellent so i'm really glad you

952
00:36:19,030 --> 00:36:15,520
brought that up that's a great

953
00:36:22,069 --> 00:36:19,040
observation uh i am a lot more

954
00:36:24,069 --> 00:36:22,079
uh open or even keel i think to people

955
00:36:25,510 --> 00:36:24,079
that are in that camp

956
00:36:28,390 --> 00:36:25,520
um

957
00:36:30,310 --> 00:36:28,400
and the you know i and i really and i

958
00:36:32,310 --> 00:36:30,320
actually kind of admire people that

959
00:36:33,750 --> 00:36:32,320
that aren't you know that are much more

960
00:36:37,349 --> 00:36:33,760
you know the skeptics like they're just

961
00:36:39,430 --> 00:36:37,359
crazy you know i i just have a hard time

962
00:36:41,510 --> 00:36:39,440
going that down that path

963
00:36:44,069 --> 00:36:41,520
it's gray it's gray right you have

964
00:36:46,150 --> 00:36:44,079
skeptics that are that present some some

965
00:36:48,150 --> 00:36:46,160
really interesting and valuable things

966
00:36:49,430 --> 00:36:48,160
and make us look a little deeper and

967
00:36:51,910 --> 00:36:49,440
then you have

968
00:36:53,589 --> 00:36:51,920
someone who's a debunker to a dishonest

969
00:36:55,430 --> 00:36:53,599
level where it doesn't matter what you

970
00:36:57,670 --> 00:36:55,440
show them they're gonna come to the same

971
00:36:58,790 --> 00:36:57,680
conclusion because they actually started

972
00:37:00,710 --> 00:36:58,800
with that

973
00:37:02,790 --> 00:37:00,720
and and they ended their investigation

974
00:37:04,069 --> 00:37:02,800
in the same place so yeah yeah exactly

975
00:37:07,910 --> 00:37:04,079
he and i are in the same place on that

976
00:37:10,310 --> 00:37:07,920
but uh i also have a question from oh

977
00:37:11,670 --> 00:37:10,320
first of all about exo academia

978
00:37:15,270 --> 00:37:11,680
he was going to be our mystery guest

979
00:37:17,349 --> 00:37:15,280
tonight uh he had family uh coming into

980
00:37:20,870 --> 00:37:17,359
town and so you're probably already

981
00:37:24,550 --> 00:37:20,880
aware of that and so he opted out our

982
00:37:26,630 --> 00:37:24,560
other uh legend uh who i know you love

983
00:37:28,790 --> 00:37:26,640
and respect as does

984
00:37:31,829 --> 00:37:28,800
everybody in in ufology and that's james

985
00:37:33,910 --> 00:37:31,839
eindholli james took an extra shift at

986
00:37:35,349 --> 00:37:33,920
work tonight and that's probably just to

987
00:37:36,710 --> 00:37:35,359
pay for some sort of a gift he's going

988
00:37:39,030 --> 00:37:36,720
to buy me i don't know

989
00:37:41,829 --> 00:37:39,040
uh but i love that guy

990
00:37:43,109 --> 00:37:41,839
we love andoli so so i'm sorry exo won't

991
00:37:44,870 --> 00:37:43,119
be here

992
00:37:47,430 --> 00:37:44,880
yeah everybody's getting mad about it

993
00:37:49,990 --> 00:37:47,440
back here yeah well it's just deb you

994
00:37:54,870 --> 00:37:50,000
just did that deb you're doing some it's

995
00:37:56,630 --> 00:37:54,880
not me yes you did that poltergeist man

996
00:37:57,670 --> 00:37:56,640
stop it it's happening in my studio

997
00:37:59,349 --> 00:37:57,680
right now

998
00:38:01,270 --> 00:37:59,359
there's your experience right there

999
00:38:02,829 --> 00:38:01,280
we've never had to admonish you on air

1000
00:38:08,540 --> 00:38:02,839
stop it

1001
00:38:11,910 --> 00:38:10,310
[Laughter]

1002
00:38:13,510 --> 00:38:11,920
yeah you don't want me and flair doing

1003
00:38:16,790 --> 00:38:13,520
arnold because that'll just really take

1004
00:38:19,670 --> 00:38:16,800
up valuable time but we love doing it um

1005
00:38:21,670 --> 00:38:19,680
so uh go to uh the audience question

1006
00:38:24,069 --> 00:38:21,680
debs that that you had if you would okay

1007
00:38:26,710 --> 00:38:24,079
well we do have several um and i think

1008
00:38:29,750 --> 00:38:26,720
the one that is pretty interesting that

1009
00:38:32,630 --> 00:38:29,760
i want to get to first is um what do you

1010
00:38:34,390 --> 00:38:32,640
think basically has to occur for the

1011
00:38:37,589 --> 00:38:34,400
tide to turn

1012
00:38:39,190 --> 00:38:37,599
and for us to have universal acceptance

1013
00:38:41,190 --> 00:38:39,200
related to the phenomenon and that's

1014
00:38:42,950 --> 00:38:41,200
from ask an alien

1015
00:38:44,630 --> 00:38:42,960
i answered this question the other day

1016
00:38:45,750 --> 00:38:44,640
because i love this question i'm just

1017
00:38:48,150 --> 00:38:45,760
going to put it up real quick so

1018
00:38:49,910 --> 00:38:48,160
everybody can can see it what's up

1019
00:38:51,829 --> 00:38:49,920
brother from canada

1020
00:38:53,510 --> 00:38:51,839
fantastic question

1021
00:38:54,950 --> 00:38:53,520
and there's let me get this other part

1022
00:38:57,190 --> 00:38:54,960
in here so i'll leave this one up

1023
00:38:57,910 --> 00:38:57,200
because this is kind of the gist of it

1024
00:38:59,589 --> 00:38:57,920
so

1025
00:39:01,990 --> 00:38:59,599
i do think this is

1026
00:39:04,390 --> 00:39:03,190
you know to me this is the question i

1027
00:39:07,670 --> 00:39:04,400
wrestle with

1028
00:39:10,150 --> 00:39:07,680
often the most is you know what is that

1029
00:39:12,150 --> 00:39:10,160
combination of things i think of it like

1030
00:39:13,670 --> 00:39:12,160
one of those um

1031
00:39:15,190 --> 00:39:13,680
what are they called those kind of

1032
00:39:16,630 --> 00:39:15,200
ancient puzzle boxes where you have to

1033
00:39:18,550 --> 00:39:16,640
click everything into place before you

1034
00:39:20,550 --> 00:39:18,560
can unlock it and you can open the open

1035
00:39:22,069 --> 00:39:20,560
the box and just you know you keep keep

1036
00:39:24,230 --> 00:39:22,079
stuff inside of it

1037
00:39:27,109 --> 00:39:24,240
um there's a cool term for it and i

1038
00:39:29,109 --> 00:39:27,119
forget what it is i have one from ankara

1039
00:39:30,710 --> 00:39:29,119
there you go so i think of it kind of

1040
00:39:32,950 --> 00:39:30,720
like that that the

1041
00:39:34,950 --> 00:39:32,960
there are these many pieces that have to

1042
00:39:36,870 --> 00:39:34,960
kind of click into place in order for

1043
00:39:38,390 --> 00:39:36,880
this to be widely

1044
00:39:41,030 --> 00:39:38,400
accepted

1045
00:39:42,790 --> 00:39:41,040
um i don't think it's just a matter of

1046
00:39:45,589 --> 00:39:42,800
our governments

1047
00:39:46,870 --> 00:39:45,599
you know kind of being like hey we

1048
00:39:48,390 --> 00:39:46,880
we don't there's some weird stuff out

1049
00:39:50,390 --> 00:39:48,400
there we don't know how it works and you

1050
00:39:51,589 --> 00:39:50,400
know it's real we've already gotten that

1051
00:39:53,750 --> 00:39:51,599
and and

1052
00:39:55,670 --> 00:39:53,760
so most people don't don't even care

1053
00:39:57,270 --> 00:39:55,680
don't know

1054
00:39:59,829 --> 00:39:57,280
so it's going to be a lot more than that

1055
00:40:02,470 --> 00:39:59,839
and i think it's going to take

1056
00:40:04,790 --> 00:40:02,480
a combination of factors that involve

1057
00:40:06,710 --> 00:40:04,800
the individual experience

1058
00:40:08,790 --> 00:40:06,720
so i think that there is an element to

1059
00:40:10,790 --> 00:40:08,800
which

1060
00:40:14,630 --> 00:40:10,800
many people throughout the world

1061
00:40:16,790 --> 00:40:14,640
both alive and and who have passed

1062
00:40:18,230 --> 00:40:16,800
have shared experiences and those

1063
00:40:19,340 --> 00:40:18,240
experiences

1064
00:40:21,670 --> 00:40:19,350
are going to

1065
00:40:23,750 --> 00:40:21,680
[Music]

1066
00:40:26,390 --> 00:40:23,760
kind of resonate

1067
00:40:28,550 --> 00:40:26,400
within the individuals whenever certain

1068
00:40:33,030 --> 00:40:28,560
revelations happen

1069
00:40:37,589 --> 00:40:35,190
when certain aspects of

1070
00:40:39,990 --> 00:40:37,599
this reality become

1071
00:40:42,390 --> 00:40:40,000
like entered into the public discourse

1072
00:40:44,470 --> 00:40:42,400
and those aspects match to

1073
00:40:46,309 --> 00:40:44,480
experiences that people have had and

1074
00:40:47,430 --> 00:40:46,319
that their family members have had in

1075
00:40:48,790 --> 00:40:47,440
the past

1076
00:40:49,750 --> 00:40:48,800
it's that

1077
00:40:52,309 --> 00:40:49,760
moment

1078
00:40:54,230 --> 00:40:52,319
that generates additional kind of the

1079
00:40:56,470 --> 00:40:54,240
building of the wave you know the

1080
00:40:58,470 --> 00:40:56,480
accumulation of that force and we

1081
00:41:00,390 --> 00:40:58,480
already we're already seeing that happen

1082
00:41:03,270 --> 00:41:00,400
this is why i think disclosure is is

1083
00:41:05,109 --> 00:41:03,280
relational it's dynamic it's uh it's it

1084
00:41:06,790 --> 00:41:05,119
is like a dance where you're where

1085
00:41:08,790 --> 00:41:06,800
there's a little sort of extended piece

1086
00:41:10,230 --> 00:41:08,800
and then someone else says well i you

1087
00:41:13,190 --> 00:41:10,240
know i have something to add to that

1088
00:41:15,109 --> 00:41:13,200
story as well and together

1089
00:41:17,430 --> 00:41:15,119
something something new is created that

1090
00:41:19,589 --> 00:41:17,440
is distinctly different than just those

1091
00:41:21,270 --> 00:41:19,599
pieces themselves

1092
00:41:22,150 --> 00:41:21,280
and so eventually

1093
00:41:24,230 --> 00:41:22,160
this

1094
00:41:26,790 --> 00:41:24,240
just it continues to build and build

1095
00:41:28,950 --> 00:41:26,800
until we have until it becomes the norm

1096
00:41:30,390 --> 00:41:28,960
until it is the normal sort of fabric of

1097
00:41:31,670 --> 00:41:30,400
our reality

1098
00:41:33,349 --> 00:41:31,680
um

1099
00:41:35,030 --> 00:41:33,359
that's unless something incredibly

1100
00:41:37,030 --> 00:41:35,040
profound happens

1101
00:41:40,710 --> 00:41:37,040
and this would to me be

1102
00:41:43,670 --> 00:41:40,720
you know the the unavoidable inexcusable

1103
00:41:47,190 --> 00:41:43,680
unmistakable insertion of whatever this

1104
00:41:49,030 --> 00:41:47,200
is into our normal frame of reference

1105
00:41:51,030 --> 00:41:49,040
unless that happens i think this is

1106
00:41:52,950 --> 00:41:51,040
going to be a generational

1107
00:41:55,109 --> 00:41:52,960
shift it's going to take many

1108
00:41:56,390 --> 00:41:55,119
you know many many generations for us to

1109
00:41:58,630 --> 00:41:56,400
kind of

1110
00:41:59,270 --> 00:41:58,640
fully get around to whatever this sort

1111
00:42:00,630 --> 00:41:59,280
of

1112
00:42:03,349 --> 00:42:00,640
is

1113
00:42:05,349 --> 00:42:03,359
i would obviously prefer that it'd be

1114
00:42:07,349 --> 00:42:05,359
you know a little bit more dynamic and

1115
00:42:09,349 --> 00:42:07,359
uh you know kind of like a punch to the

1116
00:42:11,910 --> 00:42:09,359
gut um

1117
00:42:13,990 --> 00:42:11,920
just just to satisfy my own curiosity

1118
00:42:16,550 --> 00:42:14,000
but i also kind of respect that because

1119
00:42:18,069 --> 00:42:16,560
that hasn't happened yet there could be

1120
00:42:19,270 --> 00:42:18,079
a very good reason why that's not

1121
00:42:21,750 --> 00:42:19,280
happened yet

1122
00:42:23,190 --> 00:42:21,760
and uh that reason could be

1123
00:42:25,109 --> 00:42:23,200
the safety of

1124
00:42:27,030 --> 00:42:25,119
you know everyone on the planet you know

1125
00:42:28,150 --> 00:42:27,040
that it just need we need it needs to be

1126
00:42:29,750 --> 00:42:28,160
gradual

1127
00:42:31,990 --> 00:42:29,760
in order for us to be at a place where

1128
00:42:33,910 --> 00:42:32,000
we can cope

1129
00:42:36,470 --> 00:42:33,920
with what it happens to be

1130
00:42:38,230 --> 00:42:36,480
uh but i think the momentum is clear i

1131
00:42:40,470 --> 00:42:38,240
think we are moving in that direction

1132
00:42:41,349 --> 00:42:40,480
and and we could get pretty far

1133
00:42:43,349 --> 00:42:41,359
uh

1134
00:42:44,710 --> 00:42:43,359
even if we don't have that

1135
00:42:46,309 --> 00:42:44,720
you know sort of landing on the white

1136
00:42:48,309 --> 00:42:46,319
house lawn or whatever i think we can

1137
00:42:49,990 --> 00:42:48,319
get really far

1138
00:42:52,230 --> 00:42:50,000
well i deb and i have had this

1139
00:42:54,150 --> 00:42:52,240
conversation on several uh

1140
00:42:55,829 --> 00:42:54,160
go ahead deb i'm sorry go ahead yeah no

1141
00:42:57,990 --> 00:42:55,839
it's okay i was just thinking that

1142
00:42:59,109 --> 00:42:58,000
whatever is going on whatever the

1143
00:43:01,670 --> 00:42:59,119
ultimate

1144
00:43:04,790 --> 00:43:01,680
result is we're definitely in a point in

1145
00:43:07,190 --> 00:43:04,800
history where either future humans the

1146
00:43:09,670 --> 00:43:07,200
real ones that we know will happen one

1147
00:43:12,230 --> 00:43:09,680
day are going to look back and say

1148
00:43:14,950 --> 00:43:12,240
man did you know they believed that they

1149
00:43:16,870 --> 00:43:14,960
were e.t or they're gonna go

1150
00:43:19,430 --> 00:43:16,880
did you know they didn't realize that

1151
00:43:21,670 --> 00:43:19,440
they had entities living on their planet

1152
00:43:23,109 --> 00:43:21,680
like back then like you know like it's

1153
00:43:25,030 --> 00:43:23,119
like who knows how they're gonna

1154
00:43:26,870 --> 00:43:25,040
interpret it but it's just interesting

1155
00:43:29,990 --> 00:43:26,880
to think about that i think about that

1156
00:43:32,550 --> 00:43:30,000
sometimes what our uh

1157
00:43:34,630 --> 00:43:32,560
future humans are going to think of us

1158
00:43:35,750 --> 00:43:34,640
in this time yeah well and we don't have

1159
00:43:38,309 --> 00:43:35,760
to you don't have to think too hard

1160
00:43:40,790 --> 00:43:38,319
because uh we already think things like

1161
00:43:42,710 --> 00:43:40,800
that about our ancient ancestors you

1162
00:43:44,790 --> 00:43:42,720
know they had no idea that germs were a

1163
00:43:47,510 --> 00:43:44,800
real thing what what a bunch of idiots

1164
00:43:49,510 --> 00:43:47,520
you know right exactly

1165
00:43:51,589 --> 00:43:49,520
and it turns out that that biome is like

1166
00:43:54,309 --> 00:43:51,599
bigger than our own you know has more

1167
00:43:56,470 --> 00:43:54,319
biomass than than our own so it was

1168
00:43:58,870 --> 00:43:56,480
there the whole time right so what

1169
00:44:00,710 --> 00:43:58,880
i think the same thing will be true

1170
00:44:02,470 --> 00:44:00,720
and i i like rich hoffman's

1171
00:44:04,150 --> 00:44:02,480
interpretation today he was on if you

1172
00:44:07,109 --> 00:44:04,160
guys check out uh

1173
00:44:09,510 --> 00:44:07,119
um at that ufo podcast with uh chilling

1174
00:44:11,670 --> 00:44:09,520
with andy mcgrillen uh rich hoffman from

1175
00:44:13,910 --> 00:44:11,680
scu is on there today he's also a

1176
00:44:15,190 --> 00:44:13,920
government contractor and he had a an

1177
00:44:17,670 --> 00:44:15,200
interesting take when they asked him

1178
00:44:20,470 --> 00:44:17,680
about consciousness and the phenomenon

1179
00:44:22,950 --> 00:44:20,480
and you know he thought well if i

1180
00:44:25,349 --> 00:44:22,960
i don't think that my consciousness

1181
00:44:27,589 --> 00:44:25,359
can manifest this craft that's right now

1182
00:44:30,069 --> 00:44:27,599
being painted on radar that's that's

1183
00:44:31,670 --> 00:44:30,079
reflecting a return so he kind of you

1184
00:44:33,750 --> 00:44:31,680
know there's there's so many different

1185
00:44:36,710 --> 00:44:33,760
interesting possibilities i think

1186
00:44:38,870 --> 00:44:36,720
extraterrestrial there may be no there

1187
00:44:41,510 --> 00:44:38,880
may be irrefutable evidence about that

1188
00:44:43,670 --> 00:44:41,520
that that are that john ramirez has

1189
00:44:46,150 --> 00:44:43,680
alluded to and there may be evidence

1190
00:44:48,390 --> 00:44:46,160
that future humans and there may be

1191
00:44:51,589 --> 00:44:48,400
evidence that there are some beings that

1192
00:44:53,750 --> 00:44:51,599
are under the ocean so i i think you

1193
00:44:56,230 --> 00:44:53,760
know the most likely you know that all

1194
00:44:58,390 --> 00:44:56,240
of these could be true but but what i

1195
00:45:00,309 --> 00:44:58,400
was going to say to you nathan i i mean

1196
00:45:01,990 --> 00:45:00,319
deb and i have had lengthy conversations

1197
00:45:05,670 --> 00:45:02,000
about this but i would say

1198
00:45:09,190 --> 00:45:05,680
even any type of craft hovering above a

1199
00:45:11,270 --> 00:45:09,200
major city to the for the amount of time

1200
00:45:13,670 --> 00:45:11,280
that news trucks you know your nbc

1201
00:45:16,230 --> 00:45:13,680
affiliate your fox affiliate you know

1202
00:45:18,230 --> 00:45:16,240
your cnn affiliated uh local news

1203
00:45:21,670 --> 00:45:18,240
stations can get out there with the

1204
00:45:23,589 --> 00:45:21,680
truck and a camera and film it i think

1205
00:45:25,510 --> 00:45:23,599
that would i think that would do it for

1206
00:45:28,069 --> 00:45:25,520
everybody i mean if you're looking at a

1207
00:45:31,190 --> 00:45:28,079
a half hour event and then it sort of

1208
00:45:33,829 --> 00:45:31,200
rises up into the sky like the one that

1209
00:45:34,870 --> 00:45:33,839
at the united terminal at uh chicago

1210
00:45:36,710 --> 00:45:34,880
o'hare

1211
00:45:38,150 --> 00:45:36,720
if something like that happens but but

1212
00:45:40,309 --> 00:45:38,160
but but they're able to capture it and

1213
00:45:42,950 --> 00:45:40,319
they they can't hide it at that point

1214
00:45:45,109 --> 00:45:42,960
because it's live on your local news

1215
00:45:46,390 --> 00:45:45,119
right and and then those they're feeding

1216
00:45:48,950 --> 00:45:46,400
it to those

1217
00:45:51,030 --> 00:45:48,960
major cable news networks i think that

1218
00:45:52,870 --> 00:45:51,040
then i think everybody's going to say

1219
00:45:54,630 --> 00:45:52,880
okay

1220
00:45:56,630 --> 00:45:54,640
but you know what i i would leave open

1221
00:45:59,109 --> 00:45:56,640
that some people might say oh it's a

1222
00:46:00,790 --> 00:45:59,119
russian craft man totally oh yeah all

1223
00:46:02,950 --> 00:46:00,800
right knew all that secret tech i knew

1224
00:46:04,550 --> 00:46:02,960
the government had all along or even if

1225
00:46:07,589 --> 00:46:04,560
a being walked out of it they'd be like

1226
00:46:10,950 --> 00:46:07,599
yeah that's some secret area 51 like

1227
00:46:13,030 --> 00:46:10,960
bio robot thing that we've had i mean

1228
00:46:15,349 --> 00:46:13,040
this is the world we live in you know so

1229
00:46:16,470 --> 00:46:15,359
i saw that at disney man in the hall of

1230
00:46:18,950 --> 00:46:16,480
presidents

1231
00:46:19,589 --> 00:46:18,960
they could do that years ago yeah come

1232
00:46:23,430 --> 00:46:19,599
on

1233
00:46:25,670 --> 00:46:23,440
show me something real all right uh i

1234
00:46:28,390 --> 00:46:25,680
have a question from vinnie adams uh our

1235
00:46:31,030 --> 00:46:28,400
brother so uh vinnie is also part of the

1236
00:46:32,950 --> 00:46:31,040
anomalous podcast network uh the

1237
00:46:35,270 --> 00:46:32,960
disclosure team he had rick dodie on

1238
00:46:37,750 --> 00:46:35,280
today what's up rick

1239
00:46:40,870 --> 00:46:37,760
i gotta catch that one so yeah so he was

1240
00:46:43,190 --> 00:46:40,880
on today and um uh nathan he would like

1241
00:46:45,750 --> 00:46:43,200
uh vinnie would like your views on uh

1242
00:46:48,550 --> 00:46:45,760
today's bombshell article by tim

1243
00:46:50,950 --> 00:46:48,560
mcmillan uh if you would please

1244
00:46:51,990 --> 00:46:50,960
yeah today was a big day uh for the

1245
00:46:54,550 --> 00:46:52,000
topic

1246
00:46:56,790 --> 00:46:54,560
uh it's a huge shout out to tim mcmillan

1247
00:46:58,790 --> 00:46:56,800
and the debrief and the hard work that

1248
00:47:00,150 --> 00:46:58,800
they do that was the story

1249
00:47:03,109 --> 00:47:00,160
from what i understand that was two

1250
00:47:06,230 --> 00:47:03,119
years in the making uh that's a long

1251
00:47:09,030 --> 00:47:07,589
so

1252
00:47:10,630 --> 00:47:09,040
you know i read it i thought it was

1253
00:47:14,870 --> 00:47:10,640
incredibly powerful there are a lot of

1254
00:47:16,550 --> 00:47:14,880
takeaways from that piece um

1255
00:47:19,670 --> 00:47:16,560
one i'm

1256
00:47:21,750 --> 00:47:19,680
just incredibly grateful that

1257
00:47:25,910 --> 00:47:21,760
that a person like that isn't allowed to

1258
00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:28,630
and

1259
00:47:32,710 --> 00:47:30,470
different for different reasons you know

1260
00:47:34,790 --> 00:47:32,720
the ufo one is obviously important to

1261
00:47:37,190 --> 00:47:34,800
all of us that if this was a person who

1262
00:47:39,910 --> 00:47:37,200
was obstructing

1263
00:47:41,910 --> 00:47:39,920
our sort of ability to get the truth

1264
00:47:44,950 --> 00:47:41,920
and they were doing that willfully

1265
00:47:46,630 --> 00:47:44,960
or maliciously then i mean good riddance

1266
00:47:50,069 --> 00:47:46,640
you know i don't think that's the kind

1267
00:47:52,390 --> 00:47:50,079
of public servant that we need

1268
00:47:54,150 --> 00:47:52,400
but there were obviously even even other

1269
00:47:56,150 --> 00:47:54,160
reasons why

1270
00:47:58,470 --> 00:47:56,160
that person shouldn't have been allowed

1271
00:47:59,750 --> 00:47:58,480
to be you know at the at the pentagon

1272
00:48:02,150 --> 00:47:59,760
any longer

1273
00:48:03,109 --> 00:48:02,160
uh creating a hostile work environment

1274
00:48:04,549 --> 00:48:03,119
you know

1275
00:48:06,390 --> 00:48:04,559
with uh

1276
00:48:08,950 --> 00:48:06,400
you know sexual impropriety and that

1277
00:48:11,430 --> 00:48:08,960
kind of thing like that's just not okay

1278
00:48:13,349 --> 00:48:11,440
you know right uh very glad

1279
00:48:14,630 --> 00:48:13,359
so i mean we should be championing and

1280
00:48:16,950 --> 00:48:14,640
and be very

1281
00:48:18,549 --> 00:48:16,960
glad to see that that person uh you know

1282
00:48:20,309 --> 00:48:18,559
isn't there any longer

1283
00:48:22,549 --> 00:48:20,319
because it's just i can't believe we're

1284
00:48:24,790 --> 00:48:22,559
still dealing with things like that uh

1285
00:48:26,470 --> 00:48:24,800
in some of those powerful places

1286
00:48:28,309 --> 00:48:26,480
in the world

1287
00:48:30,549 --> 00:48:28,319
and i can at the same time you know we

1288
00:48:31,430 --> 00:48:30,559
bring our humanity to the workplace and

1289
00:48:33,030 --> 00:48:31,440
uh

1290
00:48:35,270 --> 00:48:33,040
you know sometimes that can be pretty

1291
00:48:36,630 --> 00:48:35,280
difficult to uh just to remain

1292
00:48:39,109 --> 00:48:36,640
professional

1293
00:48:41,510 --> 00:48:39,119
yeah at any rate glad that he's gone

1294
00:48:42,630 --> 00:48:41,520
um as far as like what this means for

1295
00:48:45,750 --> 00:48:42,640
uap

1296
00:48:47,190 --> 00:48:45,760
uh i think um

1297
00:48:48,950 --> 00:48:47,200
i think it's just the beginning of some

1298
00:48:49,910 --> 00:48:48,960
pretty amazing things that we're going

1299
00:48:52,150 --> 00:48:49,920
to learn

1300
00:48:53,510 --> 00:48:52,160
i think uh

1301
00:48:56,230 --> 00:48:53,520
that

1302
00:48:57,510 --> 00:48:56,240
to me this further vindicates and you

1303
00:48:58,710 --> 00:48:57,520
know if you're keeping score at home

1304
00:49:00,549 --> 00:48:58,720
everybody

1305
00:49:03,589 --> 00:49:00,559
lou elizondo's got a lot of points on

1306
00:49:06,069 --> 00:49:03,599
the board yeah like he's like a thousand

1307
00:49:08,870 --> 00:49:06,079
to one i mean i just

1308
00:49:11,670 --> 00:49:08,880
i'm really tired of the uh you know kind

1309
00:49:14,870 --> 00:49:11,680
of the lou bashing um

1310
00:49:17,510 --> 00:49:14,880
i i just i you know to me he's you know

1311
00:49:18,630 --> 00:49:17,520
he's proven that he what he says is what

1312
00:49:20,470 --> 00:49:18,640
is happening

1313
00:49:22,230 --> 00:49:20,480
um does it happen at the speed that we

1314
00:49:24,790 --> 00:49:22,240
want to happen no

1315
00:49:26,549 --> 00:49:24,800
uh is he perfect absolutely not you know

1316
00:49:29,190 --> 00:49:26,559
should we idolize him and put him on a

1317
00:49:30,710 --> 00:49:29,200
pedestal no he doesn't want that uh no

1318
00:49:31,670 --> 00:49:30,720
one should want that

1319
00:49:34,069 --> 00:49:31,680
uh

1320
00:49:36,470 --> 00:49:34,079
i think he's he's not alone in what he's

1321
00:49:37,750 --> 00:49:36,480
trying to do but he he he appears as if

1322
00:49:39,349 --> 00:49:37,760
he is alone

1323
00:49:41,030 --> 00:49:39,359
because there are a lot of others

1324
00:49:44,230 --> 00:49:41,040
sticking their necks out

1325
00:49:45,750 --> 00:49:44,240
who have the background that he had uh

1326
00:49:48,790 --> 00:49:45,760
to kind of push

1327
00:49:51,910 --> 00:49:48,800
for what he's pushing for so it i think

1328
00:49:54,230 --> 00:49:51,920
it seems like it's you know just lou on

1329
00:49:55,910 --> 00:49:54,240
his own sort of crusade and in his own

1330
00:49:58,150 --> 00:49:55,920
delusion he's out there trying to do

1331
00:50:00,470 --> 00:49:58,160
these things and i think that that's uh

1332
00:50:03,190 --> 00:50:00,480
anyone who knows

1333
00:50:04,790 --> 00:50:03,200
any any other aspect of this story

1334
00:50:06,470 --> 00:50:04,800
on a deeper level knows that is

1335
00:50:08,790 --> 00:50:06,480
completely untrue

1336
00:50:10,950 --> 00:50:08,800
uh and not couldn't be farther from the

1337
00:50:12,470 --> 00:50:10,960
truth um

1338
00:50:14,230 --> 00:50:12,480
but you know all that said i i look

1339
00:50:17,349 --> 00:50:14,240
forward to the day when we have other

1340
00:50:18,630 --> 00:50:17,359
lose you know i i like everyone else

1341
00:50:21,430 --> 00:50:18,640
want to see

1342
00:50:24,829 --> 00:50:21,440
more james lakatski's you know more gary

1343
00:50:27,670 --> 00:50:24,839
nolan's more lou elizondos

1344
00:50:29,990 --> 00:50:27,680
uh jim semivan semivans more david

1345
00:50:32,309 --> 00:50:30,000
flavors more alec dietrich's more

1346
00:50:34,549 --> 00:50:32,319
how pulled off some more arrogant just

1347
00:50:35,990 --> 00:50:34,559
all of these players uh

1348
00:50:37,589 --> 00:50:36,000
you know we can't just can't just

1349
00:50:40,790 --> 00:50:37,599
continue to be

1350
00:50:42,390 --> 00:50:40,800
this kind of group it needs to expand

1351
00:50:44,710 --> 00:50:42,400
and and i think it is and i think it

1352
00:50:47,589 --> 00:50:44,720
will uh in ways that people

1353
00:50:50,630 --> 00:50:47,599
you know may shock people um

1354
00:50:52,710 --> 00:50:50,640
so i i think uh there's some exciting

1355
00:50:55,990 --> 00:50:52,720
things ahead and we are still a long

1356
00:50:57,190 --> 00:50:56,000
road but to me it also says at least i'm

1357
00:50:59,030 --> 00:50:57,200
reading between the lines here this is

1358
00:51:01,990 --> 00:50:59,040
totally my opinion

1359
00:51:04,630 --> 00:51:02,000
that article also says that

1360
00:51:05,990 --> 00:51:04,640
there are some powerful allies

1361
00:51:09,270 --> 00:51:06,000
above

1362
00:51:12,069 --> 00:51:09,280
a person like gary reed who

1363
00:51:14,150 --> 00:51:12,079
made this happen you know who who

1364
00:51:17,030 --> 00:51:14,160
kind of ousted this guy

1365
00:51:18,710 --> 00:51:17,040
uh because i think institutional inertia

1366
00:51:21,190 --> 00:51:18,720
like generally allows people like this

1367
00:51:23,270 --> 00:51:21,200
to just stay sort of entrenched

1368
00:51:25,589 --> 00:51:23,280
they're very hard to remove for many

1369
00:51:28,150 --> 00:51:25,599
reasons that's right um takes powerful

1370
00:51:30,950 --> 00:51:28,160
people to kind of shake this loose so i

1371
00:51:33,910 --> 00:51:30,960
think there are some very strong allies

1372
00:51:37,510 --> 00:51:33,920
in the in the elizondo camp or of the

1373
00:51:39,910 --> 00:51:37,520
camp that are looking hard at this and

1374
00:51:42,549 --> 00:51:39,920
that's pretty cool that's really to me

1375
00:51:45,030 --> 00:51:42,559
very encouraging uh it speaks a lot to

1376
00:51:45,990 --> 00:51:45,040
what might be happening in congress and

1377
00:51:48,390 --> 00:51:46,000
the

1378
00:51:50,870 --> 00:51:48,400
kind of underlying uh

1379
00:51:52,950 --> 00:51:50,880
veracity of the claims and of the

1380
00:51:54,470 --> 00:51:52,960
subject matter itself

1381
00:51:56,630 --> 00:51:54,480
yeah and by the way i guess this is a

1382
00:51:58,790 --> 00:51:56,640
good time to talk about uh the guy who

1383
00:52:00,950 --> 00:51:58,800
has brought us all this disclosure and

1384
00:52:02,710 --> 00:52:00,960
done and uh really put himself on the

1385
00:52:04,710 --> 00:52:02,720
line and done an amazing job whether you

1386
00:52:07,349 --> 00:52:04,720
like him or not is immaterial what he's

1387
00:52:09,750 --> 00:52:07,359
done is irrefutable but uh i'd like to

1388
00:52:12,069 --> 00:52:09,760
point out right now that uh lou elizondo

1389
00:52:13,109 --> 00:52:12,079
and maybe jennifer elizondo will be on

1390
00:52:15,910 --> 00:52:13,119
cab

1391
00:52:18,390 --> 00:52:15,920
18 may so be there i actually scheduled

1392
00:52:20,309 --> 00:52:18,400
my surgery one day later

1393
00:52:22,309 --> 00:52:20,319
just to make sure we're gonna get

1394
00:52:24,710 --> 00:52:22,319
elizondo on because he's been such a

1395
00:52:27,190 --> 00:52:24,720
such great guy and uh his wife's been

1396
00:52:31,510 --> 00:52:27,200
really cool in uh in dealing with us

1397
00:52:33,750 --> 00:52:31,520
very very funny so uh anyway um so i'm

1398
00:52:35,670 --> 00:52:33,760
you know i have uh a situation going on

1399
00:52:37,589 --> 00:52:35,680
in the other room with the dogs where

1400
00:52:40,150 --> 00:52:37,599
apparently my wife forgot to close the

1401
00:52:42,470 --> 00:52:40,160
blinds and so they're going nuts so i'm

1402
00:52:44,069 --> 00:52:42,480
gonna go off camera and let you guys

1403
00:52:48,150 --> 00:52:44,079
continue with ask nathan i'll be right

1404
00:52:51,829 --> 00:52:50,870
i think you're up flair

1405
00:52:53,109 --> 00:52:51,839
okay

1406
00:52:54,790 --> 00:52:53,119
well cool

1407
00:52:56,790 --> 00:52:54,800
so

1408
00:52:58,309 --> 00:52:56,800
okay well nathan

1409
00:53:00,870 --> 00:52:58,319
first i'm going to throw a compliment in

1410
00:53:02,150 --> 00:53:00,880
your your way i mean you just blew me

1411
00:53:03,510 --> 00:53:02,160
away with

1412
00:53:05,589 --> 00:53:03,520
what you were saying i mean where does

1413
00:53:06,870 --> 00:53:05,599
this all come from like you're a great

1414
00:53:08,390 --> 00:53:06,880
speaker man

1415
00:53:09,750 --> 00:53:08,400
like

1416
00:53:11,349 --> 00:53:09,760
you talk

1417
00:53:13,750 --> 00:53:11,359
okay i don't know what

1418
00:53:15,430 --> 00:53:13,760
so um basically i got a question about

1419
00:53:16,630 --> 00:53:15,440
that so i've analyzed

1420
00:53:18,069 --> 00:53:16,640
like

1421
00:53:20,230 --> 00:53:18,079
and tried to model how you structure

1422
00:53:21,750 --> 00:53:20,240
your questions that question i asked

1423
00:53:23,750 --> 00:53:21,760
earlier that was all that was all you

1424
00:53:25,349 --> 00:53:23,760
that was based on you man

1425
00:53:26,790 --> 00:53:25,359
yeah i have a lot of i have a lot of

1426
00:53:29,030 --> 00:53:26,800
respect for you

1427
00:53:30,630 --> 00:53:29,040
um so i want to know um what's your

1428
00:53:32,549 --> 00:53:30,640
formula for asking those deeper

1429
00:53:35,910 --> 00:53:32,559
questions when you when you

1430
00:53:38,630 --> 00:53:35,920
when you look at a guest like

1431
00:53:41,270 --> 00:53:38,640
yeah that's a good one um

1432
00:53:45,030 --> 00:53:43,109
so it comes in part from who a little

1433
00:53:47,349 --> 00:53:45,040
bit of who i am but also kind of

1434
00:53:51,109 --> 00:53:47,359
where i grew up uh so my dad was a

1435
00:53:51,990 --> 00:53:51,119
minister i was listening to sermons

1436
00:53:53,750 --> 00:53:52,000
uh

1437
00:53:56,549 --> 00:53:53,760
at least once sometimes

1438
00:53:58,390 --> 00:53:56,559
twice uh every week of my life until i

1439
00:54:01,430 --> 00:53:58,400
went to college so

1440
00:54:03,030 --> 00:54:01,440
uh for about half of my life

1441
00:54:05,430 --> 00:54:03,040
was just absorbing

1442
00:54:07,349 --> 00:54:05,440
you know kind of the way that

1443
00:54:09,670 --> 00:54:07,359
that he went through material and

1444
00:54:11,430 --> 00:54:09,680
interacted with people

1445
00:54:12,710 --> 00:54:11,440
and interacted not just with people but

1446
00:54:15,349 --> 00:54:12,720
with the uh

1447
00:54:16,950 --> 00:54:15,359
with the bible you know so

1448
00:54:17,750 --> 00:54:16,960
um

1449
00:54:19,190 --> 00:54:17,760
there

1450
00:54:21,270 --> 00:54:19,200
anyone who's been in a community like

1451
00:54:25,190 --> 00:54:21,280
that knows that the

1452
00:54:26,870 --> 00:54:25,200
if you're investing time and a text

1453
00:54:28,790 --> 00:54:26,880
uh in that way

1454
00:54:31,510 --> 00:54:28,800
and this this could be true if you were

1455
00:54:33,589 --> 00:54:31,520
a huge fan of um

1456
00:54:35,030 --> 00:54:33,599
you know of a classic literature piece

1457
00:54:37,430 --> 00:54:35,040
of shakespeare you know you could invest

1458
00:54:38,630 --> 00:54:37,440
a lot of time in shakespeare's plays or

1459
00:54:41,270 --> 00:54:38,640
sonnets

1460
00:54:43,829 --> 00:54:41,280
they're all beautiful and uh and if

1461
00:54:46,470 --> 00:54:43,839
you're wrestling with that content

1462
00:54:49,829 --> 00:54:46,480
hopefully it's evoking and creating

1463
00:54:50,870 --> 00:54:49,839
content of it of new quality in your own

1464
00:54:54,230 --> 00:54:50,880
mind

1465
00:54:55,829 --> 00:54:54,240
you know so this is uh

1466
00:54:57,349 --> 00:54:55,839
something i suppose i picked up through

1467
00:54:59,829 --> 00:54:57,359
osmosis but

1468
00:55:03,349 --> 00:54:59,839
but because i was around people

1469
00:55:04,710 --> 00:55:03,359
so much uh from many generations

1470
00:55:07,270 --> 00:55:04,720
when i was uh

1471
00:55:09,670 --> 00:55:07,280
just a regular church-goer

1472
00:55:11,030 --> 00:55:09,680
uh i got i got you know kind of forcibly

1473
00:55:13,589 --> 00:55:11,040
had to get comfortable

1474
00:55:15,430 --> 00:55:13,599
with interacting with uh you know older

1475
00:55:17,510 --> 00:55:15,440
people who weren't in my immediate

1476
00:55:19,990 --> 00:55:17,520
family uh with

1477
00:55:22,309 --> 00:55:20,000
uh the middle-aged people you know who i

1478
00:55:24,710 --> 00:55:22,319
thought really old when i was a kid

1479
00:55:26,230 --> 00:55:24,720
and now here i am

1480
00:55:28,150 --> 00:55:26,240
but you know the more that you interact

1481
00:55:30,630 --> 00:55:28,160
with those folks and they're not in your

1482
00:55:33,190 --> 00:55:30,640
own family the more you start seeing

1483
00:55:36,630 --> 00:55:33,200
them as part of your family

1484
00:55:39,109 --> 00:55:36,640
and that's what i bring to all of or i

1485
00:55:40,390 --> 00:55:39,119
try to i'm not great perfect i try to

1486
00:55:42,950 --> 00:55:40,400
bring this though to all of the

1487
00:55:45,190 --> 00:55:42,960
interactions that i have with people

1488
00:55:47,349 --> 00:55:45,200
whom i intersect with

1489
00:55:50,549 --> 00:55:47,359
and this is why i have such a big heart

1490
00:55:53,270 --> 00:55:50,559
for community because i

1491
00:55:56,230 --> 00:55:53,280
i know the value

1492
00:56:00,390 --> 00:55:56,240
of being seen

1493
00:56:03,589 --> 00:56:01,750
at some point in our life where we've

1494
00:56:06,789 --> 00:56:03,599
been in that person in the room that you

1495
00:56:06,799 --> 00:56:10,870
and you want so much to be seen

1496
00:56:15,030 --> 00:56:12,150
and

1497
00:56:16,710 --> 00:56:15,040
we all need to be seen

1498
00:56:18,630 --> 00:56:16,720
at some point

1499
00:56:21,829 --> 00:56:18,640
and so i try to see people and i try to

1500
00:56:25,750 --> 00:56:21,839
hear people and meet them where they are

1501
00:56:28,630 --> 00:56:26,870
not only

1502
00:56:31,510 --> 00:56:28,640
gives them something

1503
00:56:33,270 --> 00:56:31,520
but it gives me more

1504
00:56:34,870 --> 00:56:33,280
you know so it's in a way it's a little

1505
00:56:37,589 --> 00:56:34,880
selfish because

1506
00:56:38,950 --> 00:56:37,599
i have seen the value

1507
00:56:46,309 --> 00:56:38,960
of

1508
00:56:49,030 --> 00:56:46,319
space for them

1509
00:56:51,670 --> 00:56:49,040
in my life

1510
00:56:53,510 --> 00:56:51,680
uh even those who i don't agree with

1511
00:56:55,030 --> 00:56:53,520
even those who

1512
00:57:01,190 --> 00:56:55,040
um

1513
00:57:03,750 --> 00:57:01,200
i still try hard to

1514
00:57:05,589 --> 00:57:03,760
to see them and make space for them

1515
00:57:08,549 --> 00:57:05,599
and so you know to answer your question

1516
00:57:10,870 --> 00:57:08,559
kevin it kind of starts with with that

1517
00:57:14,309 --> 00:57:10,880
you know trying to see the person

1518
00:57:16,789 --> 00:57:14,319
who is there and be present to them

1519
00:57:18,549 --> 00:57:16,799
and then work my way out from that

1520
00:57:20,789 --> 00:57:18,559
to

1521
00:57:22,789 --> 00:57:20,799
a question that

1522
00:57:24,390 --> 00:57:22,799
that i'd like to know the answer to but

1523
00:57:26,150 --> 00:57:24,400
more so i just want to hear them talk

1524
00:57:27,750 --> 00:57:26,160
yeah

1525
00:57:30,470 --> 00:57:27,760
well that's awesome i mean

1526
00:57:31,910 --> 00:57:30,480
your name it means he gave in hebrew i

1527
00:57:34,630 --> 00:57:31,920
think

1528
00:57:36,549 --> 00:57:34,640
pretty much describes you

1529
00:57:38,390 --> 00:57:36,559
i think it works out pretty good

1530
00:57:40,789 --> 00:57:38,400
it's beautiful and before i pass it to

1531
00:57:43,030 --> 00:57:40,799
deb i want to say that uh believe it or

1532
00:57:44,870 --> 00:57:43,040
not nathan katyani apparently has even

1533
00:57:48,630 --> 00:57:44,880
made a video for you

1534
00:57:51,750 --> 00:57:48,640
and she hasn't made a video for anybody

1535
00:57:53,190 --> 00:57:51,760
but but she said today i told her i said

1536
00:57:54,710 --> 00:57:53,200
yeah today i got home from work said

1537
00:57:57,349 --> 00:57:54,720
yeah today's the day we're going to ask

1538
00:57:58,309 --> 00:57:57,359
nathan and she goes i go make video for

1539
00:58:01,750 --> 00:57:58,319
him

1540
00:58:04,549 --> 00:58:01,760
so i i expect that you're going to see

1541
00:58:06,829 --> 00:58:04,559
a goddamnit video and i will i will post

1542
00:58:08,870 --> 00:58:06,839
it on our chat as soon as i do so

1543
00:58:10,789 --> 00:58:08,880
awesome thank you i will tell her thank

1544
00:58:12,230 --> 00:58:10,799
you as soon as i see it absolutely go

1545
00:58:17,510 --> 00:58:12,240
ahead

1546
00:58:20,630 --> 00:58:17,520
question from anon et

1547
00:58:24,390 --> 00:58:20,640
um it is would nathan be interested in

1548
00:58:27,190 --> 00:58:24,400
initiating contact ce5 and i want to add

1549
00:58:29,829 --> 00:58:27,200
a little comment to that

1550
00:58:33,030 --> 00:58:29,839
nathan co-hosted the data dojo with me

1551
00:58:34,230 --> 00:58:33,040
yesterday and i believe he was told

1552
00:58:36,630 --> 00:58:34,240
yesterday

1553
00:58:39,030 --> 00:58:36,640
that looking into the phenomenon the

1554
00:58:40,549 --> 00:58:39,040
phenomenon will look back and we've

1555
00:58:42,309 --> 00:58:40,559
heard that before

1556
00:58:44,789 --> 00:58:42,319
so i guess i want your overall

1557
00:58:45,910 --> 00:58:44,799
perspective on initiating and getting

1558
00:58:48,470 --> 00:58:45,920
involved

1559
00:58:51,270 --> 00:58:48,480
personally with the phenomenon

1560
00:58:52,630 --> 00:58:51,280
great question and on e.t i love it

1561
00:58:55,990 --> 00:58:52,640
that's such a good one

1562
00:58:58,309 --> 00:58:56,000
uh i i am interested i i would want to

1563
00:58:59,829 --> 00:58:58,319
try uh and

1564
00:59:01,349 --> 00:58:59,839
i would want to try with people who've

1565
00:59:02,309 --> 00:59:01,359
done it before

1566
00:59:04,230 --> 00:59:02,319
um

1567
00:59:06,630 --> 00:59:04,240
if i could try it with james i would

1568
00:59:10,069 --> 00:59:06,640
definitely do it uh he's the one of the

1569
00:59:13,349 --> 00:59:10,079
most experienced doing that um

1570
00:59:15,589 --> 00:59:13,359
so yes i'm very much open to it

1571
00:59:18,390 --> 00:59:15,599
i do think and

1572
00:59:19,589 --> 00:59:18,400
i'll steal a page from exo's kind of

1573
00:59:21,670 --> 00:59:19,599
book here

1574
00:59:23,510 --> 00:59:21,680
you know to do something like that you

1575
00:59:26,630 --> 00:59:23,520
you need to put yourself in the right

1576
00:59:29,910 --> 00:59:26,640
state of mind and uh and kind of prepare

1577
00:59:32,549 --> 00:59:29,920
yourself uh mentally and and spiritually

1578
00:59:34,230 --> 00:59:32,559
uh you know for whatever that may be

1579
00:59:36,630 --> 00:59:34,240
um

1580
00:59:38,549 --> 00:59:36,640
but yeah i i would love to be affected i

1581
00:59:41,589 --> 00:59:38,559
would just to have a profound experience

1582
00:59:44,470 --> 00:59:41,599
like that that is outside the norm of

1583
00:59:47,430 --> 00:59:44,480
my day-to-day uh i think that would be

1584
00:59:50,150 --> 00:59:47,440
really amazing

1585
00:59:56,710 --> 00:59:50,160
nathan can can um

1586
01:00:00,230 --> 00:59:58,630
i'm gonna say no

1587
01:00:01,589 --> 01:00:00,240
um

1588
01:00:06,789 --> 01:00:01,599
not

1589
01:00:09,589 --> 01:00:08,710
with idealism

1590
01:00:11,190 --> 01:00:09,599
uh

1591
01:00:13,589 --> 01:00:11,200
consciousness is

1592
01:00:16,710 --> 01:00:13,599
is the fundamental basis of all that

1593
01:00:18,710 --> 01:00:16,720
there is so it cannot be created

1594
01:00:21,109 --> 01:00:18,720
uh but like

1595
01:00:22,309 --> 01:00:21,119
think of it like the ocean you know so

1596
01:00:24,390 --> 01:00:22,319
uh

1597
01:00:25,670 --> 01:00:24,400
it could be poured into

1598
01:00:28,710 --> 01:00:25,680
a vessel

1599
01:00:30,950 --> 01:00:28,720
you know so we are vessels for that

1600
01:00:35,109 --> 01:00:30,960
consciousness to occupy

1601
01:00:37,829 --> 01:00:35,119
for a time and perhaps uh we can create

1602
01:00:39,990 --> 01:00:37,839
our vet vessels as well that

1603
01:00:42,950 --> 01:00:40,000
you know we could pour or it could pour

1604
01:00:45,030 --> 01:00:42,960
itself in into so it's you know

1605
01:00:48,950 --> 01:00:45,040
certainly possible

1606
01:00:52,309 --> 01:00:51,270
could could be host to consciousness but

1607
01:00:54,069 --> 01:00:52,319
not

1608
01:00:55,910 --> 01:00:54,079
quite the same way that i think we think

1609
01:00:57,109 --> 01:00:55,920
about it in the popular context that

1610
01:00:59,270 --> 01:00:57,119
like we're just

1611
01:01:01,190 --> 01:00:59,280
wiring something together and then we

1612
01:01:03,829 --> 01:01:01,200
kind of get that one circuit

1613
01:01:05,349 --> 01:01:03,839
perfect and then boom it's conscious

1614
01:01:08,710 --> 01:01:05,359
i don't think it kind of works that way

1615
01:01:12,069 --> 01:01:08,720
i think consciousness uh would have to

1616
01:01:14,630 --> 01:01:12,079
you know basically occupy the uh

1617
01:01:16,870 --> 01:01:14,640
the machine and the biology

1618
01:01:19,349 --> 01:01:16,880
i think what's difficult about it when

1619
01:01:21,270 --> 01:01:19,359
we speak about the phenomenon and the

1620
01:01:23,190 --> 01:01:21,280
only way we can really speak is through

1621
01:01:26,309 --> 01:01:23,200
the experiences of others unless we've

1622
01:01:27,910 --> 01:01:26,319
had one of course deb has had some

1623
01:01:31,510 --> 01:01:27,920
um

1624
01:01:34,069 --> 01:01:31,520
you know flair has has touched it but

1625
01:01:36,069 --> 01:01:34,079
hasn't had conscious interaction yet and

1626
01:01:38,150 --> 01:01:36,079
by that i mean he's kind of awake and

1627
01:01:42,470 --> 01:01:38,160
aware deb was you know like awake and

1628
01:01:48,630 --> 01:01:45,430
when you talk about a let's just say

1629
01:01:49,589 --> 01:01:48,640
like we had angelion on the the dojo a

1630
01:01:51,670 --> 01:01:49,599
few weeks

1631
01:01:53,990 --> 01:01:51,680
excuse me a week ago

1632
01:01:55,670 --> 01:01:54,000
and she spoke about interacting with

1633
01:01:57,109 --> 01:01:55,680
beings and what they made her feel yeah

1634
01:01:58,150 --> 01:01:57,119
hi anjali

1635
01:02:00,789 --> 01:01:58,160
um

1636
01:02:03,270 --> 01:02:00,799
so i i know she's supposed to be driving

1637
01:02:05,750 --> 01:02:03,280
to jacksonville and coming down i-10 so

1638
01:02:08,069 --> 01:02:05,760
i may have an opportunity to she asked

1639
01:02:09,750 --> 01:02:08,079
me uh are you gonna so i may have an

1640
01:02:10,630 --> 01:02:09,760
opportunity to meet her in person i hope

1641
01:02:14,390 --> 01:02:10,640
so

1642
01:02:16,710 --> 01:02:14,400
um but my question to you uh nathan is

1643
01:02:20,630 --> 01:02:18,549
they made her feel

1644
01:02:22,870 --> 01:02:20,640
and others have said they spoke with me

1645
01:02:24,870 --> 01:02:22,880
telepathically they made me feel

1646
01:02:27,029 --> 01:02:24,880
something very rich it was even beyond

1647
01:02:29,029 --> 01:02:27,039
just a telepathic

1648
01:02:32,710 --> 01:02:29,039
spelling out of words

1649
01:02:35,270 --> 01:02:32,720
that they made me feel a whole string of

1650
01:02:38,230 --> 01:02:35,280
of a sentence of it that included

1651
01:02:40,950 --> 01:02:38,240
emotion so my question to you is when we

1652
01:02:43,990 --> 01:02:40,960
talk about a being that has that and

1653
01:02:47,029 --> 01:02:44,000
whether or not it can be imbued with a

1654
01:02:50,630 --> 01:02:47,039
consciousness that was either derived

1655
01:02:52,230 --> 01:02:50,640
from human dna or biology or

1656
01:02:54,069 --> 01:02:52,240
they got it elsewhere that i wouldn't

1657
01:02:55,510 --> 01:02:54,079
have any idea where

1658
01:02:57,990 --> 01:02:55,520
but

1659
01:03:00,230 --> 01:02:58,000
can it feel because

1660
01:03:01,750 --> 01:03:00,240
if i ask you to describe

1661
01:03:02,549 --> 01:03:01,760
a feeling

1662
01:03:08,870 --> 01:03:02,559
you

1663
01:03:11,910 --> 01:03:10,470
yeah

1664
01:03:13,349 --> 01:03:11,920
oh man that makes me think of a lot of

1665
01:03:16,470 --> 01:03:13,359
different things so you know our

1666
01:03:19,270 --> 01:03:16,480
feelings um

1667
01:03:21,349 --> 01:03:19,280
are informed by our perception

1668
01:03:22,309 --> 01:03:21,359
you know our sense our senses

1669
01:03:23,910 --> 01:03:22,319
uh

1670
01:03:24,950 --> 01:03:23,920
and then we

1671
01:03:26,710 --> 01:03:24,960
uh

1672
01:03:28,630 --> 01:03:26,720
we sort of lay on to the sensory

1673
01:03:32,069 --> 01:03:28,640
experience uh

1674
01:03:35,670 --> 01:03:32,079
a equality to it you know so

1675
01:03:38,630 --> 01:03:35,680
this this is hot and that makes me upset

1676
01:03:41,270 --> 01:03:38,640
you know like i i feel pain but it's

1677
01:03:43,349 --> 01:03:41,280
with heat pain frustration annoyance and

1678
01:03:45,109 --> 01:03:43,359
all these different feelings

1679
01:03:46,789 --> 01:03:45,119
associated with that

1680
01:03:48,870 --> 01:03:46,799
can i make an example for you though

1681
01:03:51,109 --> 01:03:48,880
that you can that would have occurred in

1682
01:03:53,910 --> 01:03:51,119
your own life sure let's say for example

1683
01:03:55,589 --> 01:03:53,920
like uh you have a child and they're

1684
01:03:58,390 --> 01:03:55,599
it's the first time that they're gonna

1685
01:03:59,829 --> 01:03:58,400
go to school for kindergarten so it's

1686
01:04:02,309 --> 01:03:59,839
the first time you're going to walk over

1687
01:04:03,990 --> 01:04:02,319
to the bus stop they're going to the bus

1688
01:04:06,069 --> 01:04:04,000
driver is going to open the door they

1689
01:04:08,470 --> 01:04:06,079
walk up the steps of the bus

1690
01:04:09,910 --> 01:04:08,480
they they likely will wave goodbye and

1691
01:04:11,510 --> 01:04:09,920
the bus driver close the door and they

1692
01:04:13,270 --> 01:04:11,520
drive off

1693
01:04:14,710 --> 01:04:13,280
i've i'm not a parent so let me start

1694
01:04:16,390 --> 01:04:14,720
off with that everybody else on this

1695
01:04:17,190 --> 01:04:16,400
panel is a parent

1696
01:04:19,910 --> 01:04:17,200
but

1697
01:04:23,589 --> 01:04:19,920
there's probably a very

1698
01:04:26,069 --> 01:04:23,599
powerful feeling that comes over you the

1699
01:04:28,630 --> 01:04:26,079
first time that happens and so i'm

1700
01:04:32,069 --> 01:04:28,640
trying to draw a parallel that if the

1701
01:04:34,230 --> 01:04:32,079
phenomenon an eight foot tall mantid a

1702
01:04:36,069 --> 01:04:34,240
gray that's either four foot tall or

1703
01:04:37,589 --> 01:04:36,079
five and a half feet tall whatever it

1704
01:04:40,470 --> 01:04:37,599
may be

1705
01:04:42,710 --> 01:04:40,480
can they have that sensation that you

1706
01:04:44,789 --> 01:04:42,720
have

1707
01:04:47,750 --> 01:04:44,799
when you put your child on the bus for

1708
01:04:51,910 --> 01:04:50,390
no applause are necessary guys just keep

1709
01:04:52,870 --> 01:04:51,920
it down okay i think that's a great

1710
01:04:55,589 --> 01:04:52,880
question

1711
01:04:58,150 --> 01:04:55,599
my answer is i hope so i would hope so

1712
01:04:59,349 --> 01:04:58,160
you know i i would

1713
01:05:01,670 --> 01:04:59,359
because what

1714
01:05:03,829 --> 01:05:01,680
you know what and i've said this uh

1715
01:05:06,309 --> 01:05:03,839
elsewhere but what i've worried about

1716
01:05:08,549 --> 01:05:06,319
and some of the examples that we've hear

1717
01:05:10,870 --> 01:05:08,559
from in the literature is that that

1718
01:05:14,710 --> 01:05:10,880
seems to be a quality that like that

1719
01:05:17,109 --> 01:05:14,720
they lack or at least we are not um

1720
01:05:21,109 --> 01:05:17,119
aware that they have it you know

1721
01:05:23,990 --> 01:05:21,119
uh because the stories we hear about the

1722
01:05:26,710 --> 01:05:24,000
the feelings are almost absent or cold

1723
01:05:27,670 --> 01:05:26,720
or very monotone in quality

1724
01:05:30,510 --> 01:05:27,680
um

1725
01:05:32,390 --> 01:05:30,520
so i i and that could just be a complete

1726
01:05:34,950 --> 01:05:32,400
misinterpretation of what those

1727
01:05:36,390 --> 01:05:34,960
situations are and also our perception

1728
01:05:37,349 --> 01:05:36,400
of what's happening in that moment with

1729
01:05:39,029 --> 01:05:37,359
them

1730
01:05:40,309 --> 01:05:39,039
they could have incredibly rich feelings

1731
01:05:44,150 --> 01:05:40,319
maybe feelings that

1732
01:05:47,589 --> 01:05:44,160
are feelings we we can't even have

1733
01:05:49,109 --> 01:05:47,599
so i but i would hope

1734
01:05:51,990 --> 01:05:49,119
this comes back to what i said earlier

1735
01:05:53,829 --> 01:05:52,000
that they can there is some common

1736
01:05:55,750 --> 01:05:53,839
touch point because i would want us to

1737
01:05:57,670 --> 01:05:55,760
be able to relate

1738
01:05:59,670 --> 01:05:57,680
you know in some form or fashion and i

1739
01:06:02,069 --> 01:05:59,680
think you know what better way to relate

1740
01:06:04,390 --> 01:06:02,079
than than things that we can feel

1741
01:06:06,549 --> 01:06:04,400
you know how we can feel about what is

1742
01:06:08,150 --> 01:06:06,559
around us and how we feel about each

1743
01:06:11,349 --> 01:06:08,160
other right

1744
01:06:12,549 --> 01:06:11,359
um if we can't have you know feelings of

1745
01:06:15,430 --> 01:06:12,559
of uh

1746
01:06:17,510 --> 01:06:15,440
you know sort of um

1747
01:06:20,549 --> 01:06:17,520
that's what i'm looking for like

1748
01:06:22,710 --> 01:06:20,559
appreciation and gratitude and

1749
01:06:24,630 --> 01:06:22,720
friendship and all these kind like well

1750
01:06:26,950 --> 01:06:24,640
then what kind of relationship is that

1751
01:06:28,630 --> 01:06:26,960
like it sounds like i could be relating

1752
01:06:29,829 --> 01:06:28,640
with you know with my cell phone you

1753
01:06:33,029 --> 01:06:29,839
know not

1754
01:06:35,349 --> 01:06:33,039
doesn't care about me it's okay google

1755
01:06:36,950 --> 01:06:35,359
it's okay

1756
01:06:39,589 --> 01:06:36,960
siri heard that

1757
01:06:41,029 --> 01:06:39,599
yeah guys so yeah i

1758
01:06:42,870 --> 01:06:41,039
so i i don't know if that's where your

1759
01:06:45,190 --> 01:06:42,880
question comes from but i i really do

1760
01:06:47,029 --> 01:06:45,200
think that that's i hope that they do i

1761
01:06:49,270 --> 01:06:47,039
hope that's part of it

1762
01:06:51,109 --> 01:06:49,280
uh for my part nathan i'm really i'm

1763
01:06:52,950 --> 01:06:51,119
really happy that deb started stop

1764
01:06:54,309 --> 01:06:52,960
knocking things off your wall because

1765
01:06:55,270 --> 01:06:54,319
she was getting ready to knock down the

1766
01:06:57,190 --> 01:06:55,280
marbles

1767
01:06:59,109 --> 01:06:57,200
deb i'm glad you've that you've got it

1768
01:07:01,349 --> 01:06:59,119
under control now and that you've

1769
01:07:03,109 --> 01:07:01,359
chilled i'm not that powerful i'm really

1770
01:07:05,589 --> 01:07:03,119
not

1771
01:07:06,630 --> 01:07:05,599
but yet exactly um the force is strong

1772
01:07:09,910 --> 01:07:06,640
in this one

1773
01:07:11,829 --> 01:07:09,920
but um i i have a tendency i mean this

1774
01:07:14,390 --> 01:07:11,839
is again you know these are blind

1775
01:07:15,750 --> 01:07:14,400
hypothesis pure 100

1776
01:07:19,430 --> 01:07:15,760
speculation

1777
01:07:21,829 --> 01:07:19,440
i suppose that when they interact if if

1778
01:07:23,190 --> 01:07:21,839
if these are genuine interactions that

1779
01:07:25,670 --> 01:07:23,200
we've heard about from a number of

1780
01:07:28,069 --> 01:07:25,680
people is that they're interacting you

1781
01:07:30,150 --> 01:07:28,079
with in a way that they're sort of

1782
01:07:32,390 --> 01:07:30,160
programmed to think

1783
01:07:35,029 --> 01:07:32,400
that you're going to respond

1784
01:07:36,630 --> 01:07:35,039
rather than that they're feeling

1785
01:07:38,069 --> 01:07:36,640
because again when you get to feeling

1786
01:07:39,510 --> 01:07:38,079
there's a there's so many things

1787
01:07:41,829 --> 01:07:39,520
involved in it there's facial

1788
01:07:44,069 --> 01:07:41,839
expressions the you know furring of the

1789
01:07:45,750 --> 01:07:44,079
brow there's there's sometimes there's

1790
01:07:47,750 --> 01:07:45,760
actually physical sweating there's all

1791
01:07:48,470 --> 01:07:47,760
these things that happen i think that

1792
01:07:55,109 --> 01:07:48,480
they

1793
01:07:56,870 --> 01:07:55,119
what you want them to be uh but i don't

1794
01:07:58,230 --> 01:07:56,880
know that they're

1795
01:08:00,470 --> 01:07:58,240
i don't know that

1796
01:08:02,710 --> 01:08:00,480
this is again pure speculation they're

1797
01:08:04,789 --> 01:08:02,720
capable of feeling what you feel when

1798
01:08:06,470 --> 01:08:04,799
your child gets on the bus but

1799
01:08:08,390 --> 01:08:06,480
but with that i'll pass over someone who

1800
01:08:10,549 --> 01:08:08,400
does know what that feels like

1801
01:08:12,309 --> 01:08:10,559
and is taking kids off the bus and into

1802
01:08:15,990 --> 01:08:12,319
the school that's kevin

1803
01:08:17,829 --> 01:08:16,000
i'm on spring break right now so yeah

1804
01:08:20,550 --> 01:08:17,839
he should be in panama city go ahead

1805
01:08:22,709 --> 01:08:20,560
baby nah

1806
01:08:24,920 --> 01:08:22,719
i'd rather be talking to nathan

1807
01:08:26,390 --> 01:08:24,930
can i get it amen that's right

1808
01:08:29,110 --> 01:08:26,400
[Music]

1809
01:08:30,870 --> 01:08:29,120
question another question from benji

1810
01:08:31,590 --> 01:08:30,880
for money nate

1811
01:08:33,269 --> 01:08:31,600
so

1812
01:08:35,349 --> 01:08:33,279
what he wants to know why are why do you

1813
01:08:36,950 --> 01:08:35,359
think creatives creative people

1814
01:08:39,189 --> 01:08:36,960
are seemingly more in tune with the

1815
01:08:41,030 --> 01:08:39,199
phenomena than people who aren't what

1816
01:08:44,630 --> 01:08:41,040
what attracts us to it

1817
01:08:46,870 --> 01:08:44,640
um i love that one i love that

1818
01:08:49,990 --> 01:08:46,880
um

1819
01:08:51,110 --> 01:08:50,000
well so on one level

1820
01:09:00,789 --> 01:08:51,120
i

1821
01:09:03,669 --> 01:09:00,799
oh we all are

1822
01:09:07,749 --> 01:09:06,550
you created the show man absolutely come

1823
01:09:09,749 --> 01:09:07,759
on

1824
01:09:11,590 --> 01:09:09,759
so i i said that to say you know i know

1825
01:09:13,349 --> 01:09:11,600
there are a lot of people who you know

1826
01:09:14,630 --> 01:09:13,359
might be listening or out there you know

1827
01:09:15,990 --> 01:09:14,640
who think you know i'm just going to

1828
01:09:17,990 --> 01:09:16,000
create a person i don't you know don't

1829
01:09:19,910 --> 01:09:18,000
draw or i don't you know write or i

1830
01:09:22,470 --> 01:09:19,920
don't do music or whatever it is that

1831
01:09:24,149 --> 01:09:22,480
you have equated creativity with

1832
01:09:25,430 --> 01:09:24,159
you know you don't do that

1833
01:09:26,950 --> 01:09:25,440
um

1834
01:09:29,430 --> 01:09:26,960
and and i would just encourage you to

1835
01:09:31,829 --> 01:09:29,440
just to kind of shatter that notion and

1836
01:09:34,550 --> 01:09:31,839
and just make something you know it

1837
01:09:37,269 --> 01:09:34,560
could be as silly as uh you know a

1838
01:09:39,189 --> 01:09:37,279
play-doh thing or a lego thing or a

1839
01:09:41,349 --> 01:09:39,199
little song you'd you know tap out on

1840
01:09:43,269 --> 01:09:41,359
your desk or just to tune you hum or i

1841
01:09:45,510 --> 01:09:43,279
mean it could be anything but it

1842
01:09:47,510 --> 01:09:45,520
creativity in some ways is like like a

1843
01:09:48,950 --> 01:09:47,520
muscle you just have to exercise it and

1844
01:09:51,030 --> 01:09:48,960
the more you do that

1845
01:09:52,870 --> 01:09:51,040
the more it will give back and and

1846
01:09:55,110 --> 01:09:52,880
you'll you know

1847
01:09:57,830 --> 01:09:55,120
it will grow it really will

1848
01:09:59,350 --> 01:09:57,840
um and i wish i had i wish i was doing

1849
01:10:00,790 --> 01:09:59,360
more creative things this is a creative

1850
01:10:04,950 --> 01:10:00,800
outlet for me which has greatly

1851
01:10:08,390 --> 01:10:07,030
but to his actual question

1852
01:10:10,709 --> 01:10:08,400
i think that

1853
01:10:14,070 --> 01:10:10,719
creativity is a

1854
01:10:15,590 --> 01:10:14,080
is a door to unconventional thinking

1855
01:10:20,149 --> 01:10:15,600
and

1856
01:10:22,709 --> 01:10:20,159
are who we look to as being the greats

1857
01:10:26,149 --> 01:10:22,719
you know the ones who are really skilled

1858
01:10:28,149 --> 01:10:26,159
they have a way of looking at the world

1859
01:10:30,229 --> 01:10:28,159
in in unique

1860
01:10:31,830 --> 01:10:30,239
meaningful ways that that you and i kind

1861
01:10:33,110 --> 01:10:31,840
of just ignore

1862
01:10:35,350 --> 01:10:33,120
and we

1863
01:10:37,510 --> 01:10:35,360
we gravitate to creatives because it's

1864
01:10:38,950 --> 01:10:37,520
so obvious that they figured it out and

1865
01:10:41,430 --> 01:10:38,960
we need it

1866
01:10:43,510 --> 01:10:41,440
you know we need what they have

1867
01:10:46,790 --> 01:10:43,520
uh because it's meaningful it speaks to

1868
01:10:48,310 --> 01:10:46,800
us it's a food for us in a way

1869
01:10:51,350 --> 01:10:48,320
so

1870
01:10:53,110 --> 01:10:51,360
i think creatives naturally can kind of

1871
01:10:56,950 --> 01:10:53,120
see between

1872
01:10:59,110 --> 01:10:56,960
the mundane and even see the mundane and

1873
01:11:02,070 --> 01:10:59,120
and pull out from that

1874
01:11:04,149 --> 01:11:02,080
the magnificent and the grand

1875
01:11:06,310 --> 01:11:04,159
and when they do that it's like magic

1876
01:11:07,510 --> 01:11:06,320
right we see it like we're like that is

1877
01:11:09,030 --> 01:11:07,520
magic

1878
01:11:10,830 --> 01:11:09,040
and that's just them having a

1879
01:11:13,430 --> 01:11:10,840
willingness to to

1880
01:11:15,830 --> 01:11:13,440
try and i think that

1881
01:11:18,709 --> 01:11:15,840
you know when it comes to the phenomenon

1882
01:11:20,630 --> 01:11:18,719
uh perhaps that's what we need more of

1883
01:11:22,630 --> 01:11:20,640
is a willingness to try

1884
01:11:24,630 --> 01:11:22,640
a willingness to engage willingness to

1885
01:11:26,630 --> 01:11:24,640
see

1886
01:11:30,790 --> 01:11:26,640
what isn't there

1887
01:11:33,270 --> 01:11:30,800
uh to be open to what might be

1888
01:11:35,350 --> 01:11:33,280
uh to be sort of

1889
01:11:37,270 --> 01:11:35,360
shook in out of our

1890
01:11:40,470 --> 01:11:37,280
uh stupor

1891
01:11:41,510 --> 01:11:40,480
out of our kind of waking sleep

1892
01:11:43,110 --> 01:11:41,520
and

1893
01:11:44,390 --> 01:11:43,120
you know dream

1894
01:11:46,229 --> 01:11:44,400
dream

1895
01:11:48,950 --> 01:11:46,239
while being alive

1896
01:11:50,950 --> 01:11:48,960
uh and with our eyes open i think that

1897
01:11:52,470 --> 01:11:50,960
then then we make room for it that's

1898
01:11:54,390 --> 01:11:52,480
what's amazing and this comes back to

1899
01:11:56,470 --> 01:11:54,400
disclosure you know we are

1900
01:11:58,550 --> 01:11:56,480
we are setting the table for it right

1901
01:12:00,709 --> 01:11:58,560
now if you set the table for it the

1902
01:12:03,030 --> 01:12:00,719
guests will arrive

1903
01:12:05,030 --> 01:12:03,040
you know it will happen

1904
01:12:07,030 --> 01:12:05,040
but we have to first

1905
01:12:09,030 --> 01:12:07,040
imagine that it can

1906
01:12:11,110 --> 01:12:09,040
and start doing the things that we would

1907
01:12:12,550 --> 01:12:11,120
need to do

1908
01:12:14,630 --> 01:12:12,560
to be ready

1909
01:12:18,470 --> 01:12:14,640
and i think being creative is is a

1910
01:12:19,990 --> 01:12:18,480
hundred percent part of that

1911
01:12:22,550 --> 01:12:20,000
part of that process and i would say

1912
01:12:24,229 --> 01:12:22,560
look to the creatives if you're not sure

1913
01:12:26,470 --> 01:12:24,239
about the phenomenon just look to the

1914
01:12:29,990 --> 01:12:26,480
creatives you know

1915
01:12:31,990 --> 01:12:30,000
they've been pointing to it all along

1916
01:12:34,229 --> 01:12:32,000
we just have to see it

1917
01:12:35,990 --> 01:12:34,239
and somebody who also is creative in

1918
01:12:39,510 --> 01:12:36,000
paints that i wasn't aware of is

1919
01:12:41,669 --> 01:12:39,520
hermione also known as deb

1920
01:12:43,830 --> 01:12:41,679
yes she didn't do that in harry potter i

1921
01:12:46,310 --> 01:12:43,840
wonder what she would have painted but

1922
01:12:49,270 --> 01:12:46,320
anyway um

1923
01:12:50,390 --> 01:12:49,280
we got it in anywho yeah so i wanted to

1924
01:12:53,350 --> 01:12:50,400
say that

1925
01:12:54,070 --> 01:12:53,360
um there's a question from juan falcon

1926
01:12:55,030 --> 01:12:54,080
and

1927
01:12:57,189 --> 01:12:55,040
um

1928
01:12:59,669 --> 01:12:57,199
it kind of reminds me of what something

1929
01:13:03,110 --> 01:12:59,679
we've touched on before previously we've

1930
01:13:05,669 --> 01:13:03,120
talked about possible physical aspects

1931
01:13:07,990 --> 01:13:05,679
that we just don't quite understand yet

1932
01:13:10,790 --> 01:13:08,000
um i've also yesterday was thinking

1933
01:13:13,669 --> 01:13:10,800
about you know possible physical aspects

1934
01:13:15,669 --> 01:13:13,679
of even like spirit and soul

1935
01:13:18,470 --> 01:13:15,679
um things that you know people may not

1936
01:13:21,189 --> 01:13:18,480
understand do you think ultimately there

1937
01:13:24,070 --> 01:13:21,199
might be a physical aspect that we just

1938
01:13:27,030 --> 01:13:24,080
can't understand can't grasp yet maybe

1939
01:13:30,229 --> 01:13:27,040
it's perception like was mentioned there

1940
01:13:33,030 --> 01:13:30,239
or maybe it's something like a biofield

1941
01:13:35,110 --> 01:13:33,040
or you know the antenna like gary nolan

1942
01:13:37,270 --> 01:13:35,120
kind of implied with the intuitive part

1943
01:13:41,189 --> 01:13:37,280
of our brain do you think there might be

1944
01:13:45,990 --> 01:13:43,590
more material aspect you know something

1945
01:13:47,910 --> 01:13:46,000
that we can maybe want to actually see

1946
01:13:50,390 --> 01:13:47,920
under a microscope

1947
01:13:52,790 --> 01:13:50,400
yeah i

1948
01:13:54,709 --> 01:13:52,800
maybe um

1949
01:13:57,350 --> 01:13:54,719
and this kind of speaks to

1950
01:13:58,229 --> 01:13:57,360
our capacity for discovery

1951
01:14:01,590 --> 01:13:58,239
um

1952
01:14:04,070 --> 01:14:01,600
and the limits of our

1953
01:14:06,310 --> 01:14:04,080
the limits of our ability to

1954
01:14:08,070 --> 01:14:06,320
to kind of see you know right so our

1955
01:14:09,910 --> 01:14:08,080
instrumentation is

1956
01:14:11,110 --> 01:14:09,920
an extension of our

1957
01:14:12,470 --> 01:14:11,120
perception

1958
01:14:14,630 --> 01:14:12,480
and it may

1959
01:14:16,390 --> 01:14:14,640
it may in and of itself have its own

1960
01:14:18,390 --> 01:14:16,400
limits because we naturally are also

1961
01:14:19,669 --> 01:14:18,400
limited in our you know sort of

1962
01:14:22,310 --> 01:14:19,679
perception

1963
01:14:24,229 --> 01:14:22,320
uh in some ways

1964
01:14:25,669 --> 01:14:24,239
i think uh

1965
01:14:31,110 --> 01:14:25,679
there are

1966
01:14:35,030 --> 01:14:32,790
that are accessible to us that we just

1967
01:14:36,630 --> 01:14:35,040
haven't quite figured that out uh and

1968
01:14:38,229 --> 01:14:36,640
but the root of that question at least

1969
01:14:39,669 --> 01:14:38,239
for me and this may not be where you

1970
01:14:41,669 --> 01:14:39,679
were coming from at all but for me when

1971
01:14:43,430 --> 01:14:41,679
i think about that issue

1972
01:14:45,990 --> 01:14:43,440
the root of that issue for me is this

1973
01:14:48,950 --> 01:14:46,000
desire to control it you know is this

1974
01:14:51,030 --> 01:14:48,960
desire for manipulation or mastery

1975
01:14:51,830 --> 01:14:51,040
mastery is a strong word i know that can

1976
01:14:54,390 --> 01:14:51,840
be

1977
01:14:56,630 --> 01:14:54,400
uh taken you know different ways but

1978
01:14:59,590 --> 01:14:56,640
what i'm getting at here is you know

1979
01:15:02,310 --> 01:14:59,600
tools for us are ways for us to control

1980
01:15:04,070 --> 01:15:02,320
you know to to control our environment

1981
01:15:06,229 --> 01:15:04,080
uh manipulate

1982
01:15:09,430 --> 01:15:06,239
aspects of our existence

1983
01:15:10,390 --> 01:15:09,440
uh even our own biology

1984
01:15:12,310 --> 01:15:10,400
and so

1985
01:15:13,750 --> 01:15:12,320
you know kind of in a seeking to find

1986
01:15:16,310 --> 01:15:13,760
those things

1987
01:15:18,149 --> 01:15:16,320
uh like the caudate putamen identifying

1988
01:15:20,149 --> 01:15:18,159
you know oh it's it's this you know like

1989
01:15:22,149 --> 01:15:20,159
if we we really want to know how we can

1990
01:15:24,229 --> 01:15:22,159
how we can figure this out not only just

1991
01:15:26,470 --> 01:15:24,239
like what it is but how can we if how

1992
01:15:28,950 --> 01:15:26,480
can we master it how can we use it to

1993
01:15:31,510 --> 01:15:28,960
our advantage you know this is this uh

1994
01:15:34,870 --> 01:15:31,520
there's a deep-seated i think need

1995
01:15:36,470 --> 01:15:34,880
that we have to uh

1996
01:15:37,750 --> 01:15:36,480
you know to sort of not be wandering

1997
01:15:39,669 --> 01:15:37,760
through the jungle and know that we

1998
01:15:40,870 --> 01:15:39,679
could be attacked at any moment we want

1999
01:15:43,189 --> 01:15:40,880
to know that

2000
01:15:45,270 --> 01:15:43,199
oh okay if i sharpened this thing and i

2001
01:15:47,270 --> 01:15:45,280
carry it with me i could be attacked but

2002
01:15:49,350 --> 01:15:47,280
i i could also survive you know i could

2003
01:15:50,709 --> 01:15:49,360
be i could protect myself so i think

2004
01:15:54,790 --> 01:15:50,719
that that's there's this kind of

2005
01:15:57,350 --> 01:15:54,800
defensive quality for us in behind that

2006
01:15:58,870 --> 01:15:57,360
question that we want to be able to

2007
01:16:01,270 --> 01:15:58,880
not be

2008
01:16:03,590 --> 01:16:01,280
subject to it we want to make it subject

2009
01:16:05,270 --> 01:16:03,600
to us

2010
01:16:07,270 --> 01:16:05,280
and

2011
01:16:08,390 --> 01:16:07,280
you know it could be that way you know

2012
01:16:09,510 --> 01:16:08,400
perhaps

2013
01:16:13,110 --> 01:16:09,520
um

2014
01:16:17,189 --> 01:16:14,229
our

2015
01:16:21,510 --> 01:16:20,709
who we really are uh

2016
01:16:25,270 --> 01:16:21,520
is

2017
01:16:27,110 --> 01:16:25,280
it

2018
01:16:29,830 --> 01:16:27,120
there may be an element or an aspect to

2019
01:16:31,189 --> 01:16:29,840
ourselves and i'm going to point to

2020
01:16:33,590 --> 01:16:31,199
you know sort of the survival of

2021
01:16:35,590 --> 01:16:33,600
consciousness research and

2022
01:16:37,189 --> 01:16:35,600
life after death you know it could be

2023
01:16:39,910 --> 01:16:37,199
that we have to cross that kind of

2024
01:16:42,709 --> 01:16:39,920
rubicon to kind of get over this

2025
01:16:44,149 --> 01:16:42,719
uh desire for control and maybe when we

2026
01:16:46,709 --> 01:16:44,159
cross over

2027
01:16:49,030 --> 01:16:46,719
we realize how silly it was to try to do

2028
01:16:50,870 --> 01:16:49,040
all the things we do you know to have

2029
01:16:52,870 --> 01:16:50,880
all this control over everything in our

2030
01:16:54,310 --> 01:16:52,880
lives and we just may come to this place

2031
01:16:56,630 --> 01:16:54,320
like i didn't have to do any of that you

2032
01:16:58,470 --> 01:16:56,640
know like it wasn't necessary those were

2033
01:17:00,630 --> 01:16:58,480
those were misplaced

2034
01:17:03,990 --> 01:17:00,640
uh you know sort of

2035
01:17:06,550 --> 01:17:04,000
desires or anxieties um and so maybe

2036
01:17:09,189 --> 01:17:06,560
it's coming to a place where

2037
01:17:10,470 --> 01:17:09,199
we are comfortable and kind of one with

2038
01:17:13,189 --> 01:17:10,480
the flow

2039
01:17:16,790 --> 01:17:13,199
of of conscious experience and we just

2040
01:17:18,950 --> 01:17:16,800
go go where it goes

2041
01:17:20,070 --> 01:17:18,960
do you think there's a sense that uh

2042
01:17:23,430 --> 01:17:20,080
part of the

2043
01:17:25,750 --> 01:17:23,440
the passing on of the human body is is

2044
01:17:29,030 --> 01:17:25,760
is that decision point where someone

2045
01:17:31,750 --> 01:17:29,040
does decide to let go

2046
01:17:33,910 --> 01:17:31,760
and yeah and then it happens we've heard

2047
01:17:35,910 --> 01:17:33,920
yeah we've certainly heard stories like

2048
01:17:37,669 --> 01:17:35,920
that um

2049
01:17:39,750 --> 01:17:37,679
where people have been confronted with

2050
01:17:42,229 --> 01:17:39,760
the choice like they've been told you

2051
01:17:44,470 --> 01:17:42,239
can you can go back or you can you can

2052
01:17:46,149 --> 01:17:44,480
stay with us and people decide to go

2053
01:17:49,030 --> 01:17:46,159
back of course we only hear from the

2054
01:17:50,790 --> 01:17:49,040
ones that came back you know so

2055
01:17:52,470 --> 01:17:50,800
they all decided to come back

2056
01:17:53,510 --> 01:17:52,480
so um

2057
01:17:55,669 --> 01:17:53,520
yeah

2058
01:17:57,110 --> 01:17:55,679
i think we have to

2059
01:17:58,790 --> 01:17:57,120
you know sort of treat those stories

2060
01:17:59,669 --> 01:17:58,800
very seriously

2061
01:18:01,510 --> 01:17:59,679
um

2062
01:18:03,030 --> 01:18:01,520
but i think there probably are instances

2063
01:18:04,390 --> 01:18:03,040
where there is no choice you know like

2064
01:18:06,550 --> 01:18:04,400
there's just there's nothing there's

2065
01:18:09,350 --> 01:18:06,560
literally nothing to go back to

2066
01:18:11,830 --> 01:18:09,360
you know uh your your your physical

2067
01:18:14,070 --> 01:18:11,840
vessel you know it just can't contain

2068
01:18:16,149 --> 01:18:14,080
you any longer right it can't support

2069
01:18:17,830 --> 01:18:16,159
you it can't support your consciousness

2070
01:18:19,030 --> 01:18:17,840
right any longer

2071
01:18:20,310 --> 01:18:19,040
um

2072
01:18:21,750 --> 01:18:20,320
nathan

2073
01:18:23,110 --> 01:18:21,760
i want to talk about reality for a

2074
01:18:25,030 --> 01:18:23,120
second a lot of people like to talk

2075
01:18:27,910 --> 01:18:25,040
about realities with you

2076
01:18:29,750 --> 01:18:27,920
i feel that there needs to be a certain

2077
01:18:32,870 --> 01:18:29,760
amount of care

2078
01:18:34,070 --> 01:18:32,880
taken when a discussion or assertions

2079
01:18:37,430 --> 01:18:34,080
are made of

2080
01:18:39,270 --> 01:18:37,440
regarding reality and i'm wondering if

2081
01:18:41,990 --> 01:18:39,280
what your feelings are on that in terms

2082
01:18:44,310 --> 01:18:42,000
of how do you feel about the

2083
01:18:47,270 --> 01:18:44,320
the care and stewardship

2084
01:18:49,910 --> 01:18:47,280
that you should exercise when discussing

2085
01:18:51,910 --> 01:18:49,920
or making assertions about particular

2086
01:18:53,990 --> 01:18:51,920
realities

2087
01:18:56,149 --> 01:18:54,000
i think we have to be very careful i

2088
01:18:57,669 --> 01:18:56,159
think that uh we need to take very

2089
01:18:59,030 --> 01:18:57,679
seriously

2090
01:19:01,110 --> 01:18:59,040
uh

2091
01:19:03,030 --> 01:19:01,120
the things that are in our world that

2092
01:19:04,470 --> 01:19:03,040
that can hurt us uh

2093
01:19:06,950 --> 01:19:04,480
even if i

2094
01:19:09,590 --> 01:19:06,960
believe that consciousness is the root

2095
01:19:12,630 --> 01:19:09,600
of you know reality it still means i

2096
01:19:14,790 --> 01:19:12,640
need to take uh that lion and that tiger

2097
01:19:17,030 --> 01:19:14,800
very seriously or i can't you know put

2098
01:19:19,110 --> 01:19:17,040
myself in front of a moving train

2099
01:19:20,470 --> 01:19:19,120
and pass right through it i think that

2100
01:19:22,950 --> 01:19:20,480
uh

2101
01:19:25,030 --> 01:19:22,960
you know we need to be very careful um

2102
01:19:27,270 --> 01:19:25,040
and particularly we need to be present

2103
01:19:29,270 --> 01:19:27,280
this comes back to earlier

2104
01:19:31,030 --> 01:19:29,280
we need to be present with those that we

2105
01:19:32,310 --> 01:19:31,040
interact with and

2106
01:19:34,470 --> 01:19:32,320
uh

2107
01:19:36,550 --> 01:19:34,480
in part kind of meet them where they are

2108
01:19:39,910 --> 01:19:36,560
we we need to be very mindful of those

2109
01:19:43,030 --> 01:19:39,920
that uh i think

2110
01:19:47,189 --> 01:19:43,040
have a very delicate connection to

2111
01:19:48,870 --> 01:19:47,199
reality uh you know we need to

2112
01:19:50,390 --> 01:19:48,880
you know we need to be responsible

2113
01:19:52,950 --> 01:19:50,400
that's a word that you use you know we

2114
01:19:55,270 --> 01:19:52,960
just we don't want to encourage folks to

2115
01:19:56,790 --> 01:19:55,280
um

2116
01:19:58,550 --> 01:19:56,800
you know kind of say screw it i'm out of

2117
01:20:00,790 --> 01:19:58,560
here and i'm just going to end this life

2118
01:20:02,470 --> 01:20:00,800
and move on to the net next one and i

2119
01:20:04,950 --> 01:20:02,480
think that that's not a good way to

2120
01:20:06,149 --> 01:20:04,960
think about existence anyway

2121
01:20:08,149 --> 01:20:06,159
you know what

2122
01:20:10,709 --> 01:20:08,159
even if there is that reality beyond

2123
01:20:12,310 --> 01:20:10,719
this physical one there is value to

2124
01:20:13,830 --> 01:20:12,320
right now

2125
01:20:19,270 --> 01:20:13,840
and

2126
01:20:20,390 --> 01:20:19,280
others around you to find it

2127
01:20:23,110 --> 01:20:20,400
to me

2128
01:20:24,950 --> 01:20:23,120
you know kind of

2129
01:20:26,070 --> 01:20:24,960
hitting that exit button

2130
01:20:28,229 --> 01:20:26,080
you know

2131
01:20:29,189 --> 01:20:28,239
early just seems like it

2132
01:20:33,030 --> 01:20:29,199
it

2133
01:20:35,030 --> 01:20:33,040
um

2134
01:20:36,550 --> 01:20:35,040
but everyone's situation is different

2135
01:20:38,390 --> 01:20:36,560
you know and there are people who are

2136
01:20:39,750 --> 01:20:38,400
suffering a great deal

2137
01:20:41,990 --> 01:20:39,760
and uh

2138
01:20:43,350 --> 01:20:42,000
and who

2139
01:20:44,709 --> 01:20:43,360
you know the greatest gift that we could

2140
01:20:46,950 --> 01:20:44,719
give them would be to give them the

2141
01:20:48,229 --> 01:20:46,960
ability to end their suffering

2142
01:20:51,110 --> 01:20:48,239
and um

2143
01:20:54,070 --> 01:20:51,120
you know so i want to honor that as well

2144
01:20:56,149 --> 01:20:54,080
but uh but yeah it's um

2145
01:20:58,310 --> 01:20:56,159
we can't be flippant you know about

2146
01:20:59,990 --> 01:20:58,320
whatever this is and we're all working

2147
01:21:02,070 --> 01:21:00,000
on it together i mean no one has this

2148
01:21:04,870 --> 01:21:02,080
figured out we can point to all of the

2149
01:21:06,310 --> 01:21:04,880
sages all of the physicists you know all

2150
01:21:08,390 --> 01:21:06,320
of the people who've struggled with

2151
01:21:11,590 --> 01:21:08,400
these questions and nobody has got a

2152
01:21:13,590 --> 01:21:11,600
monopoly on the truth at this point

2153
01:21:15,510 --> 01:21:13,600
but we need to listen to them all

2154
01:21:17,590 --> 01:21:15,520
and we need to work hard

2155
01:21:19,669 --> 01:21:17,600
in our own lives you know about what it

2156
01:21:22,149 --> 01:21:19,679
means for us

2157
01:21:24,629 --> 01:21:22,159
yeah i and i by the way we have about

2158
01:21:26,790 --> 01:21:24,639
nine minutes left so and the end part of

2159
01:21:29,270 --> 01:21:26,800
this is actually going to be nathan's

2160
01:21:30,310 --> 01:21:29,280
going to have the floor to just talk

2161
01:21:34,310 --> 01:21:30,320
about

2162
01:21:35,350 --> 01:21:34,320
phenomenon whatever the floor shares for

2163
01:21:37,030 --> 01:21:35,360
whatever

2164
01:21:41,110 --> 01:21:37,040
but i i would

2165
01:21:44,709 --> 01:21:41,120
i i just say you know think in terms of

2166
01:21:47,430 --> 01:21:44,719
not define the reality that you either

2167
01:21:50,070 --> 01:21:47,440
your reality or what you a reality that

2168
01:21:52,390 --> 01:21:50,080
you've experienced but beyond that

2169
01:21:55,350 --> 01:21:52,400
i don't think we can define a reality

2170
01:21:57,189 --> 01:21:55,360
beyond our own reality or another that

2171
01:21:59,430 --> 01:21:57,199
we've seen or experienced

2172
01:22:02,709 --> 01:21:59,440
because i've i hear people speak about

2173
01:22:04,470 --> 01:22:02,719
realities in a way that could cheapen

2174
01:22:05,990 --> 01:22:04,480
someone else's reality that they're

2175
01:22:08,629 --> 01:22:06,000
experiencing and i

2176
01:22:12,310 --> 01:22:08,639
i'm very very mindful of that um you

2177
01:22:15,030 --> 01:22:12,320
don't know yuri your the reality is your

2178
01:22:16,629 --> 01:22:15,040
reality yeah not necessarily somebody

2179
01:22:21,189 --> 01:22:16,639
else's

2180
01:22:25,030 --> 01:22:23,110
well i guess i would like to close with

2181
01:22:26,550 --> 01:22:25,040
something that i found insightful by

2182
01:22:28,149 --> 01:22:26,560
jung again

2183
01:22:31,750 --> 01:22:28,159
that he's he's been at this a while he

2184
01:22:34,310 --> 01:22:31,760
was researching ufos in 1958 so i wanted

2185
01:22:36,390 --> 01:22:34,320
wow you're right i wanted your insight

2186
01:22:38,390 --> 01:22:36,400
um nathan on this line so i'm going to

2187
01:22:40,470 --> 01:22:38,400
read it to you so it says

2188
01:22:42,470 --> 01:22:40,480
it depends on us whether we help coming

2189
01:22:44,870 --> 01:22:42,480
events to birth by understanding them

2190
01:22:46,709 --> 01:22:44,880
and reinforce their healing effect or

2191
01:22:48,709 --> 01:22:46,719
whether we repress them with our

2192
01:22:51,110 --> 01:22:48,719
prejudices narrow-mindedness and

2193
01:22:53,510 --> 01:22:51,120
ignorance ignorance thus turning their

2194
01:22:55,910 --> 01:22:53,520
effect into its opposite into poison and

2195
01:22:58,310 --> 01:22:55,920
destruction he's talking about the ufo

2196
01:23:00,070 --> 01:22:58,320
subject you know what what do you think

2197
01:23:01,510 --> 01:23:00,080
of that line there

2198
01:23:04,629 --> 01:23:01,520
it's beautiful right

2199
01:23:09,189 --> 01:23:04,639
uh yeah we have to be mentally

2200
01:23:11,590 --> 01:23:09,199
uh ready for it to be effective

2201
01:23:14,629 --> 01:23:13,110
you know that we've talked about a

2202
01:23:15,910 --> 01:23:14,639
little all you know that in many ways

2203
01:23:18,550 --> 01:23:15,920
this evening

2204
01:23:20,709 --> 01:23:18,560
i think he does come back to that sense

2205
01:23:22,709 --> 01:23:20,719
of kind of making space

2206
01:23:24,470 --> 01:23:22,719
you know and uh

2207
01:23:26,229 --> 01:23:24,480
and that and also this sort of notion

2208
01:23:27,189 --> 01:23:26,239
that the truth could could show up at

2209
01:23:28,709 --> 01:23:27,199
your door

2210
01:23:31,350 --> 01:23:28,719
and if you're not ready to receive it

2211
01:23:32,790 --> 01:23:31,360
you'll turn it away

2212
01:23:35,030 --> 01:23:32,800
you know the thing that you most

2213
01:23:36,470 --> 01:23:35,040
desperately need

2214
01:23:37,270 --> 01:23:36,480
you could turn it away because you're

2215
01:23:39,750 --> 01:23:37,280
not

2216
01:23:42,709 --> 01:23:39,760
ready

2217
01:23:44,870 --> 01:23:42,719
you know so i think readiness requires

2218
01:23:47,750 --> 01:23:44,880
us to do work

2219
01:23:48,870 --> 01:23:47,760
on ourselves and on our relationships on

2220
01:23:50,870 --> 01:23:48,880
our

2221
01:23:52,790 --> 01:23:50,880
openness

2222
01:23:55,189 --> 01:23:52,800
you know all of these qualities that

2223
01:23:58,229 --> 01:23:55,199
will make room for

2224
01:23:59,830 --> 01:23:58,239
new experience and truth

2225
01:24:01,669 --> 01:23:59,840
and

2226
01:24:03,030 --> 01:24:01,679
i can tell you that what doesn't make

2227
01:24:03,910 --> 01:24:03,040
room

2228
01:24:06,790 --> 01:24:03,920
is

2229
01:24:11,510 --> 01:24:09,270
hatred

2230
01:24:14,149 --> 01:24:11,520
you know close-mindedness

2231
01:24:20,390 --> 01:24:17,510
you know you you will not find truth

2232
01:24:27,230 --> 01:24:23,189
beautiful thank you

2233
01:24:27,240 --> 01:24:33,669
[Laughter]

2234
01:24:36,149 --> 01:24:34,550
okay

2235
01:24:37,430 --> 01:24:36,159
yeah one day someone's going to try to

2236
01:24:40,950 --> 01:24:37,440
find me and you're going to tell them to

2237
01:24:46,550 --> 01:24:45,030
she's up in gryffindor's house

2238
01:24:49,110 --> 01:24:46,560
um so

2239
01:24:51,030 --> 01:24:49,120
at one point in time when i was

2240
01:24:54,149 --> 01:24:51,040
preparing for today's interview you i

2241
01:24:54,950 --> 01:24:54,159
heard you say i'm a very curious guy

2242
01:24:57,189 --> 01:24:54,960
and

2243
01:24:59,110 --> 01:24:57,199
i wanted to ask what are you most

2244
01:25:00,950 --> 01:24:59,120
curious about and

2245
01:25:02,149 --> 01:25:00,960
we could say what are you most excited

2246
01:25:03,830 --> 01:25:02,159
about but

2247
01:25:06,950 --> 01:25:03,840
ultimately what are you most curious

2248
01:25:08,870 --> 01:25:06,960
about related to the phenomenon

2249
01:25:09,910 --> 01:25:08,880
what's the question you really want

2250
01:25:14,229 --> 01:25:09,920
answered

2251
01:25:14,239 --> 01:25:18,629
where does the journey stop

2252
01:25:22,790 --> 01:25:19,990
you know

2253
01:25:27,030 --> 01:25:22,800
and i hope the answer is it doesn't

2254
01:25:29,510 --> 01:25:27,040
you know but uh i believe that um

2255
01:25:31,590 --> 01:25:29,520
whatever it is right now is only a step

2256
01:25:33,270 --> 01:25:31,600
along a longer journey

2257
01:25:35,510 --> 01:25:33,280
uh not just with

2258
01:25:38,550 --> 01:25:35,520
you know here we are in disclosure

2259
01:25:40,390 --> 01:25:38,560
but in our lived you know our life

2260
01:25:41,669 --> 01:25:40,400
i think that our life right now is just

2261
01:25:43,910 --> 01:25:41,679
another

2262
01:25:47,510 --> 01:25:43,920
stepping stone to something else but but

2263
01:25:50,550 --> 01:25:47,520
what else and for how long you know

2264
01:25:55,669 --> 01:25:52,390
there's this there's this part of all of

2265
01:25:58,550 --> 01:25:55,679
us that wants to preserve ourselves

2266
01:26:01,189 --> 01:25:58,560
you know we talk about notions of heaven

2267
01:26:02,790 --> 01:26:01,199
or eternity we want to preserve

2268
01:26:05,669 --> 01:26:02,800
who we are

2269
01:26:07,590 --> 01:26:05,679
you know in that in those spaces

2270
01:26:09,830 --> 01:26:07,600
uh indefinitely

2271
01:26:11,590 --> 01:26:09,840
and uh what's funny about that is we

2272
01:26:13,669 --> 01:26:11,600
even have lit literature

2273
01:26:16,790 --> 01:26:13,679
that we can read and look to

2274
01:26:18,709 --> 01:26:16,800
that reminds us how awful that idea is

2275
01:26:21,110 --> 01:26:18,719
and hear what i'm talking about you know

2276
01:26:23,110 --> 01:26:21,120
vampires

2277
01:26:25,669 --> 01:26:23,120
um yeah yeah

2278
01:26:27,590 --> 01:26:25,679
some of the most miserable creatures in

2279
01:26:30,310 --> 01:26:27,600
in human literature

2280
01:26:32,870 --> 01:26:30,320
are vampires uh who have that very

2281
01:26:35,189 --> 01:26:32,880
existence so you know i guess i say that

2282
01:26:38,070 --> 01:26:35,199
you know in a joking way but also to say

2283
01:26:43,669 --> 01:26:41,350
there's this need for

2284
01:26:45,669 --> 01:26:43,679
the new the more

2285
01:26:48,229 --> 01:26:45,679
the the change

2286
01:26:50,870 --> 01:26:48,239
that whatever whoever i am now whoever i

2287
01:26:53,189 --> 01:26:50,880
will be on my last day

2288
01:26:54,790 --> 01:26:53,199
of breathing you know will not be the

2289
01:26:57,350 --> 01:26:54,800
last me

2290
01:26:59,110 --> 01:26:57,360
you know uh that that there will be new

2291
01:27:01,270 --> 01:26:59,120
versions of me

2292
01:27:03,350 --> 01:27:01,280
that will i that i hope will be even

2293
01:27:06,149 --> 01:27:03,360
bigger you know broader more expansive

2294
01:27:08,870 --> 01:27:06,159
and maybe even bleed into all of you

2295
01:27:10,950 --> 01:27:08,880
you know in ways that are that i feel

2296
01:27:13,110 --> 01:27:10,960
more strongly than i feel now

2297
01:27:14,709 --> 01:27:13,120
and how cool would that be you know to

2298
01:27:16,870 --> 01:27:14,719
share experience

2299
01:27:18,870 --> 01:27:16,880
with others in a way that is if it were

2300
01:27:20,870 --> 01:27:18,880
our own

2301
01:27:23,270 --> 01:27:20,880
like luke skywalker at the end when

2302
01:27:25,350 --> 01:27:23,280
they're there with that that uh craft

2303
01:27:27,510 --> 01:27:25,360
and they fire all those weaponry at him

2304
01:27:30,310 --> 01:27:27,520
and and his consciousness is still there

2305
01:27:31,830 --> 01:27:30,320
yeah that was interesting um

2306
01:27:34,149 --> 01:27:31,840
nate what's interesting about nathan is

2307
01:27:36,629 --> 01:27:34,159
nate is and this is a statement and not

2308
01:27:38,229 --> 01:27:36,639
a question but you're sort of a paradox

2309
01:27:41,270 --> 01:27:38,239
in a way because you

2310
01:27:42,950 --> 01:27:41,280
you're very skeptical of what

2311
01:27:44,870 --> 01:27:42,960
you really really want to have an

2312
01:27:46,550 --> 01:27:44,880
interaction with the phenomenon a

2313
01:27:48,950 --> 01:27:46,560
personal interaction

2314
01:27:52,149 --> 01:27:48,960
where your family's safety is safely

2315
01:27:53,910 --> 01:27:52,159
aside but that you can interact and yet

2316
01:27:56,149 --> 01:27:53,920
you're very distrustful of what they

2317
01:27:59,430 --> 01:27:56,159
might say and how that interaction might

2318
01:28:01,110 --> 01:27:59,440
come out and i find that fascinating um

2319
01:28:02,470 --> 01:28:01,120
and that's just an observation i have

2320
01:28:04,149 --> 01:28:02,480
about you is you really want this to

2321
01:28:06,390 --> 01:28:04,159
happen but you're going to be very

2322
01:28:08,790 --> 01:28:06,400
skeptical about them when you meet them

2323
01:28:09,990 --> 01:28:08,800
and very sort of at holding them at

2324
01:28:11,590 --> 01:28:10,000
arm's length

2325
01:28:13,430 --> 01:28:11,600
um which

2326
01:28:15,750 --> 01:28:13,440
one of the fascinating things about you

2327
01:28:18,310 --> 01:28:15,760
but i want to give you the uh the floor

2328
01:28:20,229 --> 01:28:18,320
for the rest of the time before we just

2329
01:28:22,629 --> 01:28:20,239
close the show sure

2330
01:28:24,790 --> 01:28:22,639
well i i want to say thank you to

2331
01:28:26,790 --> 01:28:24,800
all of you guys um

2332
01:28:28,629 --> 01:28:26,800
i you know you didn't have to ask me to

2333
01:28:31,750 --> 01:28:28,639
do this and i don't know how valuable it

2334
01:28:33,430 --> 01:28:31,760
was but i appreciate each of you

2335
01:28:34,390 --> 01:28:33,440
uh very very much

2336
01:28:35,350 --> 01:28:34,400
and

2337
01:28:37,270 --> 01:28:35,360
um

2338
01:28:38,629 --> 01:28:37,280
and i'm really grateful for everything

2339
01:28:40,070 --> 01:28:38,639
that you guys do

2340
01:28:41,910 --> 01:28:40,080
for this show

2341
01:28:43,189 --> 01:28:41,920
for the heart that you have

2342
01:28:44,390 --> 01:28:43,199
for people

2343
01:28:45,750 --> 01:28:44,400
um

2344
01:28:48,470 --> 01:28:45,760
and i want to thank the people that are

2345
01:28:50,709 --> 01:28:48,480
listening uh you know who've

2346
01:28:52,149 --> 01:28:50,719
deemed it worth some of their time to

2347
01:28:54,310 --> 01:28:52,159
spend with us

2348
01:28:55,350 --> 01:28:54,320
uh that means a great deal

2349
01:28:58,149 --> 01:28:55,360
uh

2350
01:29:04,070 --> 01:29:00,310
we have an opportunity

2351
01:29:06,709 --> 01:29:04,080
opportunity tomorrow

2352
01:29:08,310 --> 01:29:06,719
to to do more uh to

2353
01:29:10,550 --> 01:29:08,320
you know be more charitable be more

2354
01:29:13,270 --> 01:29:10,560
loving be more generous be more gracious

2355
01:29:15,590 --> 01:29:13,280
be more less better listeners

2356
01:29:17,669 --> 01:29:15,600
to understand to seek understanding you

2357
01:29:19,590 --> 01:29:17,679
know every moment we have we can do

2358
01:29:23,110 --> 01:29:19,600
those things

2359
01:29:24,790 --> 01:29:23,120
and we need to try hard to do that

2360
01:29:26,790 --> 01:29:24,800
and if we try hard and try our best to

2361
01:29:29,430 --> 01:29:26,800
do that and we still can't and we're

2362
01:29:32,550 --> 01:29:29,440
being uh rejected and and those barriers

2363
01:29:34,470 --> 01:29:32,560
are being put up well you know you tried

2364
01:29:37,270 --> 01:29:34,480
and uh that's the best that you you can

2365
01:29:39,590 --> 01:29:37,280
do and that's what we need

2366
01:29:42,070 --> 01:29:39,600
so i'll leave it at that

2367
01:29:45,030 --> 01:29:42,080
find the the relative value in all the

2368
01:29:46,790 --> 01:29:45,040
interactions that you have and and the

2369
01:29:50,229 --> 01:29:46,800
the love that people

2370
01:29:51,270 --> 01:29:50,239
show you and fi find it look for it

2371
01:29:53,910 --> 01:29:51,280
and um

2372
01:29:55,030 --> 01:29:53,920
and acknowledge and acknowledge it

2373
01:29:57,270 --> 01:29:55,040
and um

2374
01:29:59,189 --> 01:29:57,280
reciprocate it

2375
01:30:02,709 --> 01:29:59,199
yes nathan

2376
01:30:07,990 --> 01:30:03,669
it's

2377
01:30:11,430 --> 01:30:08,000
put it all into words but

2378
01:30:13,590 --> 01:30:11,440
you've done a lot for for me personally

2379
01:30:16,390 --> 01:30:13,600
you know i'm certain for the other

2380
01:30:18,830 --> 01:30:16,400
cabbies for for the show

2381
01:30:21,110 --> 01:30:18,840
uh and for a lot of people in our

2382
01:30:23,110 --> 01:30:21,120
community um

2383
01:30:24,310 --> 01:30:23,120
and i'm so happy that we could celebrate

2384
01:30:26,229 --> 01:30:24,320
you tonight

2385
01:30:28,390 --> 01:30:26,239
not just because of

2386
01:30:30,629 --> 01:30:28,400
your intellect and your ability to ask

2387
01:30:32,950 --> 01:30:30,639
questions and go on a you know go on

2388
01:30:35,030 --> 01:30:32,960
with a string of brilliant commentary

2389
01:30:37,030 --> 01:30:35,040
uh after somebody asked you something

2390
01:30:39,590 --> 01:30:37,040
not only because of that but because of

2391
01:30:42,149 --> 01:30:39,600
the way you do it and the care that you

2392
01:30:43,830 --> 01:30:42,159
show everybody the uh that you've shown

2393
01:30:46,470 --> 01:30:43,840
every one of our guests

2394
01:30:48,629 --> 01:30:46,480
on cab the love and respect and care

2395
01:30:50,070 --> 01:30:48,639
you've had for all of them even some of

2396
01:30:51,510 --> 01:30:50,080
them that

2397
01:30:53,430 --> 01:30:51,520
weren't as nice to us as we would have

2398
01:30:55,270 --> 01:30:53,440
liked um

2399
01:30:57,430 --> 01:30:55,280
but that was an example for us you know

2400
01:30:59,990 --> 01:30:57,440
you've set an example for us and how to

2401
01:31:01,110 --> 01:31:00,000
interact with the community with twitter

2402
01:31:03,590 --> 01:31:01,120
that i think

2403
01:31:05,030 --> 01:31:03,600
all of us cabbies are starting to to

2404
01:31:07,590 --> 01:31:05,040
kind of fall in line you know i've

2405
01:31:09,270 --> 01:31:07,600
always said that everybody you know you

2406
01:31:11,030 --> 01:31:09,280
can be a leader but you can also be a

2407
01:31:13,030 --> 01:31:11,040
follower i'm a leader but i'm also a

2408
01:31:15,110 --> 01:31:13,040
follower just depends on what the what

2409
01:31:17,270 --> 01:31:15,120
the topic is of the day

2410
01:31:19,590 --> 01:31:17,280
um and you can't be a good leader

2411
01:31:22,950 --> 01:31:19,600
without being a good follower by the way

2412
01:31:24,629 --> 01:31:22,960
um so um i i

2413
01:31:26,550 --> 01:31:24,639
i can't thank you enough for everything

2414
01:31:28,950 --> 01:31:26,560
you've done we want to celebrate you it

2415
01:31:32,070 --> 01:31:28,960
is the first ask nathan

2416
01:31:36,310 --> 01:31:34,390
we just need a little more time to work

2417
01:31:38,310 --> 01:31:36,320
it yeah that's right because next time

2418
01:31:40,629 --> 01:31:38,320
we'll be working on some more people

2419
01:31:43,189 --> 01:31:40,639
it's really was uncanny that uh three

2420
01:31:44,390 --> 01:31:43,199
people we also spoke with priscilla she

2421
01:31:46,629 --> 01:31:44,400
had a show

2422
01:31:49,189 --> 01:31:46,639
uh uh she actually canceled her show

2423
01:31:51,990 --> 01:31:49,199
tonight due to severe weather

2424
01:31:53,830 --> 01:31:52,000
uh and then uh ended up happening the

2425
01:31:55,430 --> 01:31:53,840
severe weather is making her dogs and

2426
01:31:58,149 --> 01:31:55,440
her children react and it's going a

2427
01:32:00,310 --> 01:31:58,159
little crazy so or she was gonna come on

2428
01:32:02,149 --> 01:32:00,320
as well and i got to speak with her

2429
01:32:03,750 --> 01:32:02,159
yesterday and priscilla what an amazing

2430
01:32:05,590 --> 01:32:03,760
person frank

2431
01:32:07,750 --> 01:32:05,600
we've got we gotta we have to we gotta

2432
01:32:10,390 --> 01:32:07,760
figure out a way to get frank back maybe

2433
01:32:13,430 --> 01:32:10,400
an all-british episode we can get um

2434
01:32:15,910 --> 01:32:13,440
spartacus uh anna witty we can get

2435
01:32:17,510 --> 01:32:15,920
charlotte and we can get frank and and

2436
01:32:18,310 --> 01:32:17,520
maybe even vinny we could just get all

2437
01:32:20,390 --> 01:32:18,320
british

2438
01:32:22,470 --> 01:32:20,400
joint grant

2439
01:32:23,990 --> 01:32:22,480
oh grandma that's right graham rendell

2440
01:32:25,110 --> 01:32:24,000
that'd be another one i know i love

2441
01:32:26,790 --> 01:32:25,120
graham too

2442
01:32:29,350 --> 01:32:26,800
uh so

2443
01:32:31,430 --> 01:32:29,360
yeah uh we got to do that but but anyway

2444
01:32:34,470 --> 01:32:31,440
everybody want to celebrate you nathan

2445
01:32:36,310 --> 01:32:34,480
thank you so much we love you um and we

2446
01:32:39,110 --> 01:32:36,320
really appreciate you thank you thank

2447
01:32:42,709 --> 01:32:39,120
you nathan all right so for nathan for

2448
01:32:43,990 --> 01:32:42,719
kev and for debs this is dj saying

2449
01:32:46,470 --> 01:32:44,000
peace out

2450
01:32:47,990 --> 01:32:46,480
one love and the cabbies will see you

2451
01:32:50,310 --> 01:32:48,000
down the road because we're always

2452
01:32:52,040 --> 01:32:50,320
wondering what's up around the bend

2453
01:32:58,629 --> 01:32:52,050
yeah please go

2454
01:32:58,639 --> 01:33:01,850
so